Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Arbuthnot of Invernettie


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. W.marsh 21:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

George Arbuthnot of Invernettie

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According to the article, this man was a merchant, a cotton manufacturer, and the mayor of a small to moderate sized town. Nothign is mentioned of anythign particualrly notable he did in any of those roles. This is not significance or ntoability, IMO. Indeed this is close to being worthy of a speedy delete under WP:CSD for having not asserted significance, but the mayor's posiot I suppose is an assertion. All that is assuming that the sources are first rate, which I think is arguable. DES (talk) 22:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as per my nom. See also the discussion on a similar article at Articles for deletion/Thomas Arbuthnot of Meethill. DES (talk) 22:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep- the position of Provost does confer notability and possible expansion of his dealings in the cotton industry would be useful. I would sat that it certainly isn't a speedy delete!. I have noticed a few articles of persons with the name "Arbuthnot" up for deletion recently- are they all related? Thunderwing 22:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed, one editor who did not quite understand the meaning of "Wikipedia articles are not genealogical entries" has been very active, and created:
 * Alexander Arbuthnot, Alexander Arbuthnot (disambiguation), Alexander Arbuthnot (paddle steamer), Alexander Arbuthnot (poet), Alexander Arbuthnot (politician), Alexander Arbuthnot (printer), Alexander Dundas Young Arbuthnott, Alexander John Arbuthnot, Arbuthnot & Co, Arbuthnot (schooner), Arbuthnot Baronets, Arbuthnot Latham, Arbuthnot Latham & Co, Arbuthnot and Ambrister incident, Arbuthnot family, Arbuthnot, Saskatchewan, Arbuthnott, Baillie Thomas Arbuthnot, Baronet Arbuthnot of Kittybrewster, Category:Arbuthnot family, Charles Arbuthnot, Charles Arbuthnot (disambiguation), Charles George Arbuthnot, Charles George James Arbuthnot, Charles Ramsay Arbuthnot, Clan Arbuthnott, Dalrymple Arbuthnot, David Arbuthnott, 11th Viscount of Arbuthnott, Epistle to Dr Arbuthnot, Ernest Kennaway Arbuthnot, Felicity Arbuthnot, Forster Fitzgerald Arbuthnot, Gary Arbuthnot, General the Hon William Arbuthnott, Geoffrey Arbuthnot, Geoffrey Schomberg Arbuthnot, George Alexander Arbuthnot, George Arbuthnot (civil servant), George Arbuthnot (disambiguation), George Arbuthnot (politician), George Arbuthnot of Invernettie, George Arbuthnot, 1st of Elderslie, George Archibald Arbuthnot, George Bingham Arbuthnot, George Gough Arbuthnot, Gerald Archibald Arbuthnot, HMS Arbuthnot, Harriet Arbuthnot, Henry Thomas Arbuthnot, Hon Alexander Arbuthnott, Hugh Arbuthnot, Hugh Arbuthnott, Image:Marcia Arbuthnot.jpg, Image:Sir Robert Keith Arbuthnot 4th Bt.jpg, Image:Sir William Arbuthnot-Lane.jpg, James Arbuthnot, John Alves Arbuthnot, John Arbuthnot, John Arbuthnot (disambiguation), John Arbuthnot, 5th Viscount of Arbuthnott, John Arbuthnot, 6th Viscount of Arbuthnott, John Arbuthnot, 7th Viscount of Arbuthnott, John Arbuthnott, 10th Viscount of Arbuthnott, John Arbuthnott, 14th Viscount of Arbuthnott, John Arbuthnott, 16th Viscount of Arbuthnott, John Arbuthnott, 5th Viscount of Arbuthnott, John Arbuthnott, 6th Viscount of Arbuthnott, John Arbuthnott, 7th Viscount of Arbuthnott, John Arbuthnott, 8th Viscount of Arbuthnott, John Arbuthnott, 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott, John Bernard Arbuthnot, John Peebles Arbuthnott, Keith Arbuthnot, Keith Arbuthnott, 15th Viscount of Arbuthnott, Malcolm Arbuthnot, Mariot Arbuthnot, May Hill Arbuthnot, Robert Arbuthnot, Robert Arbuthnot (auditor), Robert Arbuthnot (disambiguation), Robert Arbuthnot of Haddo, Robert Arbuthnot, 1st Viscount of Arbuthnot, Robert Arbuthnot, 1st Viscount of Arbuthnott, Robert Arbuthnot, 2nd Viscount Arbuthnot, Robert Arbuthnot, 2nd Viscount of Arbuthnott, Robert Arbuthnot, 2nd of Haddo-Rattray, Robert Arbuthnot, 3rd Viscount of Arbuthnott, Robert Arbuthnot, 4th Viscount of Arbuthnott, Robert Arbuthnott, 1st Viscount of Arbuthnott, Robert Arbuthnott, 2nd Viscount of Arbuthnott, Robert Arbuthnott, 3rd Viscount of Arbuthnott, Robert Arbuthnott, 4th Viscount of Arbuthnott, Sandy Arbuthnot, Sandy Clanroyden, Sir Hugh Arbuthnot, Sir Hugh Arbuthnot, 7th Baronet, Sir Hugh Arbuthnot, Baronet, Sir John Arbuthnor, 1st Bt, Sir John Arbuthnot, 1st Baronet, Sir John Arbuthnot, 1st Bt, Sir Keith Arbuthnot, 8th Baronet, Sir Keith Arbuthnot, 8th Bt, Sir Robert Arbuthnot, 2nd Baronet, Sir Robert Arbuthnot, 4th Baronet, Sir Robert Arbuthnot, 6th Baronet, Sir Thomas Arbuthnot, Sir William Arbuthnot, 1st Baronet, Sir William Arbuthnot, 2nd Baronet, Sir William Arbuthnot, 3rd Baronet, Sir William Arbuthnot-Lane, 1st Baronet, Sir William Arbuthnot-Lane, 2nd Baronet, Terence John Arbuthnot, Thomas Arbuthnot, Thomas Arbuthnot (ship), Thomas Arbuthnot of Meethill, Viscount of Arbuthnott, Walter Arbuthnott, 13th Viscount of Arbuthnott, William Arbuthnot, William Arbuthnot (British army officer), William Arbuthnot (artillery officer), William Arbuthnot (cavalry officer), William Arbuthnot (general), William Arbuthnot-Lane, William Arbuthnott, William Arbuthnott (general), William Arbuthnott, 12th Viscount of Arbuthnott, &amp; Ziki Arbuthnot . --Lambiam Talk  01:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment The other articles do not appear relevant to the deletion debate for this one, so no point in keeping the listing of them as part of this debate. Edison 04:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Quite, while some of those articles are crappy stubs - some are important people. Take each on its merits.--Docg 08:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom as failing WP:BIO. Edison 23:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete If being a mayor of a town of about 18,000 people (probably less in the 1830s) confers notability, be prepared for thousands and perhaps millions of more notables. Carlossuarez46 02:30, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep How many towns in Scotland at the time were of that size or greater? Certainly not thousands. Furthermore, he was the first provost. I'd accept that as N, especially because the article itself does not run into the excessive detail of some other articles on the others of that family.  DGG' 04:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's too narrow a view; are the 19th century mayors of Indian, Chinese, Russian, Italian, American, Brazilian, etc., cities with a current population of 18,000 equally entitled to the per se notability that you suggest, or is this a special rule only for Arbuthnots or Scottish mayors? Carlossuarez46 20:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect to List of Provosts of Peterhead. WP:BIO is pretty clear that "Just being an elected local official does not guarantee notability", and pending evidence otherwise, this individual's primary claim to notability appears to be his election as a local official.  I'll monitor this discussion for new evidence or arguments regarding this analysis, however. JavaTenor 07:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of Provosts of Peterhead. Not enough information to merit an article - but some of these Glasgow 'Cotton Barons' were hugely important to the history, economy and architecture of the city. A redirection leaves open the possibility that more information will arise.--Docg 08:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC) Sorry, didn't notice who the author of the provost's list was - and I can't verify a word of it either. Delete - but would ask closing adin to mark this as without prejudice to a properly sourced article if that is possible later (and it may well not be).--Docg 09:11, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: The author of this stub has indeed been very prolific in recording his family history here. The subjects of some of his pages are indeed notable even if the information given does not make this immediately apparent. As Doc says above some of those articles are "crappy stubs" and this is one of them.  Last week I was trying to resolve these issues with the primary author who made it very clear he was not prepared to improve them but neither did want them to be deleted.  The problem with leaving it as as a direct is it can become the subject of revert wars etc.  Incidentally, the list of List of Provosts of Peterhead is unreferenced and by the same author - I don't see the point of just keep redirecting his stubs to further of his unreferenced pages in ever increasing circles.  If he wants to write according to Wikipedia directives and rules concerning notability and sourcing -  fine - if he does not, (and it has been explained to him and it seems he does not) then there is no point in perpetuating the problem. Giano 08:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article fails to conform to our guidelines on notability. --Ghirla-трёп- 08:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. No objection to re-creation if better sources are found. Since this one is only a vestigial article, not resting on any good sources, I'm afraid that future editors will not be able to find any good material either. This man is far enough in the past that Google probably won't help. I think he is notable enough for an article, but there is too little here to work with. Even Ada Jane Arbuthnot, in her "Memories", gives him only three lines in her index. For her, this is the smallest possible amount of coverage. EdJohnston 03:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per gianoDewiMorgan 17:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - He was the FIRST Provost of Peterhead, I stress the first, as this makes him more notable. --Counter-revolutionary 19:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Questions Is there a particular guideline you're citing here? Should Wikipedia contain an article on the first mayor of any city of comparable size, like Belmont, California?  Much larger cities, like Daly City, California?  (apologies for the Bay-Area-centric nature of these examples; I'm just picking items that come to mind as nearby cities to my place of residence) JavaTenor 20:19, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, however, I think it is important to remember that. I imagine the people you mention would, however, be notable. --Counter-revolutionary 20:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


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