Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Estrada


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Consensus herein after two relistings is for deletion. NorthAmerica1000 07:35, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

George Estrada

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Per WP:BEFORE, I attempted to find significant coverage from non-primary and non-secondary reliable sources and what I found was wanting, and IMHO does not meet WP:GNG or other more stringent notability guidelines. An Obit is easily found, however, that can be seen as WP:BIO1E and WP:NOTMEMORIAL applies. The subject wrote two books, however, neither one a major award, nor have I seen anything that indicates that the subject meets other criteria set forth in WP:AUTHOR. The subject was also a professor, and wrote multiple papers, however the subject does not appear to have met any of the criteria set forth in WP:NACADEMICS; while the subject did write the numerous papers as I had linked, the work of the subject does not appear to meet criteria #1 or #4. Therefore, I propose that this article is deleted. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:56, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep - I rescued this article in 2009, before he died, so WP:MEMORIAL did not apply then, and WP:BLP does not apply now. Estrada was notable for several reasons - as an AP reporter, writing professor, etc.  I rescued this due to my interest in Filipino-Americans (my fiance is Pinoy, FWIW).  It appears that well-meaning editors have taken out some of the text and citations.  I certainly think this can be fixed.  By the way, journalism as an academic field is under-represented in such indices.  Bearian (talk) 14:59, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I see that the subject was a reporter, but can the above editor please provide reliable sources where the subject received significant coverage of them self? Just being a reporter does not make the subject notable?
 * Also the subject does not appear to meet WP:NACADEMIC, can the above editor please provide reliable sources indicating that the subject does?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:33, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I see dead people ... sorry for the morbid humor .... Anyway, how about these:, , or . It also appears that Estrada 'scooped' other journalists on the People's Temple, see . See also Articles for deletion/Pete Williams (journalist). Bearian (talk) 00:59, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The first link is to a book written by the subject, and is actually a passage more about the subject's son, than the subject himself. The second link is again from a book written by the subject. The third link does not provide indepth coverage of the subject. Furthermore the books appear to be published via iUniverse, a self-publishing company, thus falls under WP:SPS. The fourth link is also to a self-published source. The subject may have scooped other journalist, but that event is not itself notable, nor is it about the subject. Usage of an article written by the subject maybe used in the People's Temple article, but that does not add to the notability of the subject of this AfD.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:25, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete – Fails WP:GNG, WP:AUTHOR, and WP:NACADEMICS. Outside of his obituaries, he has not received WP:Significant coverage. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 01:16, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete with regret. I tried to rescue the article, I really did.   Death often prompts obituary writers and others to notice and record the significance of a life, and I am sure that Estrada's life influenced those who knew him.  However, there is only 1 obit, the 2 books he wrote were self-published, and I really couldn't find any mention of either book elsewhere.  Bearian, if you find sources I would be glad to revisit this vote.ShulMaven (talk) 16:57, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I found what I could find. Bearian (talk) 21:48, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BusterD (talk) 01:53, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:45, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - I am no longer opposing this deletion, based on the discussion above. Bearian (talk) 20:56, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.