Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Hill (Chef)


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The result was Delete. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 20:38, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

George Hill (Chef)

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Not notable. No reliable external refs demonstrate any notability. Autobiography with massive WP:COI and violates WP:SELFPUB  Velella  Velella Talk 20:52, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Weak Keep, the article is really awful and will need to be completely rewritten. However, there seems to be a bit of coverage of him in the industry press, like this and this.  Just to make things fun, there is another chef named George Hill who also seems to get a bit of coverage, which is making finding good sources a bit tricky.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 06:52, 19 January 2013 (UTC).
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Courcelles 01:27, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

 Re: George Hill (Chef) Sources of Information for consideration

Regular column in industry magazine and online - http://foodservicegateway.com.au/archives/category/blogs/the-black-hat

Example: going back many articles. EG - http://foodservicegateway.com.au/archives/1000

An Industry chefs wiki - http://chefpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

65 chefs from around world contribute to the wiki - http://chefpedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=Contributors

Chefs Professional Recognition Program developed and over 600 chefs subscribe to this program - http://auschef.com/

Online resource for trainees and qualified chefs and a virtual Museum - http://www.salonculinaire.com/

Evidence of standing in Industry - http://www.foodserviceaustralia.com.au/Content/Judges

http://www.gohospitality.com.au/c/Foodservice-Suppliers-Association-of-Australia/Judging-panel-announced-for-Chef-Competitions-at-FSA-2011-Expo-n906818

http://seafood.net.au/files/FNC_Members.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hill-George (talk • contribs) 21:01, 27 January 2013 (UTC) I happen to be industry wide recognised by the Foodservice Suppliers Association one of three “Hall of Fame” in 2010, Bestowed an award in the Sydney Opera House for my contribution to industry by the National Association of Food and Equipment Suppliers 1994, awarded by the Australian Foodservice Manufacturers Association for Commitment to Industry, bestowed An Australian Culinary Federation Black Hat and inaugurated as a Les Toques Blanches Pioneer. Very few of the current category listed Australian chefs have anywhere reached those notable acknowledgements except Stephanie Alexander who is also a Pioneer. I can provide evidence or proof for every statement. I can send in references certificates, photos etc. Just because it’s not on the net it does not mean that it does not exist. I an mainly recognised in many industry magazines and newspapers - I have already sent in a list of newspaper articles and many websites that demonstrate nobility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hill-George (talk • contribs) 10:33, 29 January 2013 (UTC) Hill-George (talk) 10:38, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
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More Notability Apart from the links above that demonstrate notability on the net, below are a sample of many articles in newspapers and mainly industry Magazines: (I can provide copies if required) - Articles about George Hill (Chef)

Cater planner Issue 3 - 1985 - Culinary News March – 1999 - Dandenong Journal 31 August – 1989 - Dandenong Journal 6 March- 1989 - Emoh-Ruo – December- 1986 - Hospitality and Convention News August – 1987 - Hospitality and Convention News August- 1987 - Host Magazine May - 1982  - IBM Quarterly September 1985 – La Cuisine 3 October – 1984 – New Idea 30 August -1980 - Open House 1st June – 1980 - Open House August – 1994 - Open House July – 1982 - Open House November -  1994 - Open House September  - 1984 -  Sunraysia  Daily June 23  - 1983 - Sunraysia Daily June – 1983 - Tafe Teaching Magazine November – 1983 - Tafe Teaching Magazine  October 1987 - The Age Newspaper 15 March – 1986 -  The Age Newspaper 21 July – 1981 - The Age Newspaper 22 March - 1986 - The Australian Baker Issue Feb 2003 -  The Chronicle Wangaratta October – 1986 -  The Daily Advertiser May 23 -  2006 -  The Herald Sun 26 May – 1982 -  The Herald Sun – 1980 -  The Journal 15 June – 1982 - What’s Cooking May - 1982  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hill-George (talk • contribs) 02:07, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

To recent (December 2012) comment as a cookery industry spokesperson
on contemporary issues facing commercial cookery http://foodservicegateway.com.au/archives/7941 124.181.75.88 (talk) 02:17, 31 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hill-George (talk • contribs) 02:12, 31 January 2013 (UTC) 124.181.75.88 (talk) 02:16, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - serious COI here - User:Hill-George contributing to an article on himself Gbawden (talk) 13:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes I did write / add information to this debate page - G Hill - I do not believe it is a conflict of interest (COI) and certainly was not intentional – and is not contributing to the Wikipedia article, only to the debate. I only added information to reviewers to provide clear evidence that demonstrates notability,( as this was seen as a weakness in the article). The statement was made that there is “insufficient evidence of notability”, how else can the reviewer be informed of notability? The debate also states “Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks” So I added more evidence to you all Statements also suggest it may need a rewrite. How else can it be rewritten, when every statement is truthful and can be verified?138.217.156.41 (talk) 08:56, 3 February 2013 (UTC) Please - Please someone help I am a chef not an editor138.217.156.41 (talk) 08:56, 3 February 2013 (UTC) The aims of Wikipedia are to produce a neutral reliably sourced encyclopedia. The information is extremely similar in layout to other chefs identified in Wikipedia; the information is  unequivocally reliable, accurate and truthful. It is not self promotion, it only states factual information. Please someone Help. I am a chef not an editor with your skills138.217.156.41 (talk) 08:58, 3 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.217.156.41 (talk) 01:16, 3 February 2013 (UTC) 138.217.156.41 (talk) 09:00, 3 February 2013 (UTC)Hill-George (talk) 01:58, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. I have watched this AfD for some time and resisted making an !vote. I have decided that I cannot support the article. It is in breach of Autobiography. I do not see that the subject meets the criteria for WP:ANYBIO or WP:CREATIVE. There are many notable chefs in Australia: Stephanie Alexander, Kylie Kwong, Gary Mehigan, Matt Moran, etc. I do not see the same notability evident for Mr Hill. No-one other than Mr Hill has seen fit to write a Wikiarticle about him. His awards and achievements seem limited to a narrow industry-based focus and not part of the enduring historical record. WWGB (talk) 01:23, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. Notwithstanding - May I take the liberty of suggesting that among many aspects of an enduring Australian Culinary historical record:

1.	 I was a member of the Australian National team of five chefs in 1980 that led Australia in the Culinary Olympics and subsequently ignited Australia on the road to becoming internationally recognised nation in the culinary world.

2.	 That Australia now has a culinary code of conduct for professional chefs, because I instigated and convened a committee and worked through industry suggestions to create, submitted and encourage every chefs association in Australia to adopt the now publicised codes.

3.	 That Australia conducted the World Individual Cookery Championships in 1994, where 27 countries sent in chef competitors to compete (which I was director).

4.	I am the co author of the only reference book in the World on Margarine and Butter sculpture that is on the shelves of major international culinary schools

5.	That I have created four popular websites for assisting chefs to seek culinary knowledge. None of these examples in a culinary sense have had an enduring historical affect in this country/ continent??

You are entitled to you opinion which I respect, but obviously do not agree with,  maybe you need to see my full curriculum http://www.salonculinaire.com/curriculum.htm C'est la vie Thank you for your time and your contribution to Wikipedia – George HillHill-George (talk) 20:32, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:5P. "Wikipedia is not a soapbox, an advertising platform, a vanity press, ...". This is so clearly a violation of the first pillar and should be blown away. Ignore all rules to stop the rot. Stop Wikipedia from being overtaken by vanity spam to preserve its integrity. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:46, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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