Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Jackson (conductor) (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 19:18, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

George Jackson (conductor)
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The article was nominated for deletion and the result was DELETE. While I don't doubt this young conductor is very talented, I don't believe he has enough merits to have an article on Wikipedia, plus there's information that, while it isn't technically untrue, it is seriously biased. For example: reading the internet info and GJ's website it is true that "[ he ] has conducted a range of orchestras including the London Symphony Orchestra,the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra, the George Enescu Philharmonic Orchestra, Lucerne Festival Strings, the Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra, and the MSM Symphony in New York". Being a person in the world of music I know that the London Symphony was conducted during a masterclass, as it was the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra (Sir Peter Maxwell Davies' summer course in Orkney), the George Enescu Philharmonic Orchestra (all students of Nicolas Pasquet in Weimar go to Romania to conduct this orchestra once each term as part of their course), the Lucerne Festival Strings is conducted by Boulez's students, and the MSM (Manhattan School of Music) is the orchestra used in the annual Kurt Masur masterclass. The Jeunesses Musicales International Conducting Competition in Bulgaria is a minor conducting competition. BTW, Ö1 (public broadcasting company in Austria) Talentbörse is not a PRIZE, is a (minor) scholarship. I have 35+ years of experience as an orchestral musician, and I can smell fake/exaggerated bios miles away, and the person who started the article was user:Jacksogh (Jackson George Henry.. so obvious!)-- Karljoos (talk) 13:43, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment: I closed as delete in the prior discussion, based on that particular AFD consensus. I'll choose to respectfully defer to consensus of the community upon the outcome of this discussion. Good luck everyone, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 01:23, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: I voted in the previous AfD, and it doesn't appear that five years have added much to the fellow's CV. While the current iteration superficially seems sourced, they're all festival sites, promotional sites and the like.  What is missing are reliable media sources providing significant coverage meeting the requirements of the GNG.  Nor, as he didn't in 2010, does he meet WP:MUSICBIO, which sets a much higher bar for notability than merely appearing with this orchestra or that, or receiving minor awards from music charities.  Nor is he the music director or principal conductor (not that, at his age, he's likely to be) of a major symphony orchestra -- instead, he's the assistant conductor of the Savannah Philharmonic Orchestra, which no one's mentioning in the same breath as the BSO, New York Philharmonic or the Vienna State Opera.   Ravenswing   02:06, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are two ways this could pass the criteria for inclusion. (1) the general notability guideline (WP:GNG) which requires significant in depth coverage from multiple independent sources. (2) The alternative criteria at WP:MUSICBIO. Re (1), the only reference that remotely qualifies is an interview which ORF publishes for the (many) recipients of its grants to promising young musicians. None of the rest qualify. Note that the first reference looks like an article about him but it's a PR piece from "AllesKlassik-PR&Organisation- Salzburg. Excellent references for classical artists". The remainder are all minor festival notices and potted bios (not independent of the the subject). Re (2), the subject fails to pass any of the criteria, e.g. two recordings with a notable classical music label or winning a major prize (none of the ones listed fall remotely into the category) or being the permanent conductor of a major symphony orchestra (or the guest conductor of multiple major symphony orchestras). Some of the ones that the article claims he has conducted are major, but seem to have been conducted not as part of the orchestra's regular concert season but as part of master classes and conducting courses which the subject took. The fact that not a single review can be cited for the major orchestras he claims to have conducted further suggests that. The London Symphony Orchestra is referenced to a broken link and I can find no mention of him on the LSO site. Voceditenore (talk) 16:24, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * He did conduct the LSO, but in a master class with MTT ( and ).--Karljoos (talk) 16:05, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's pretty much what I suspected. Voceditenore (talk) 17:10, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete, for all the cogent reasons set out above. An archived version of the LSO link shows that Jackson participated in the LSO Discovery Conducting Scheme for "aspiring professionals" in 2013. It is a bare mention of his name, there is no in-depth coverage. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:30, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Voceditenore.4meter4 (talk) 02:25, 27 September 2015 (UTC)


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