Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Mansur


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. czar 15:48, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

George Mansur

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Removed PROD - original contention was "Does not meet WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG" Mifter (talk) 05:36, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. (t)  Josve05a  (c) 05:45, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. (t)  Josve05a  (c) 05:45, 8 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep The page is well sourced as it is about a popular singer. Also contains reference to iTunes store.Please consider fixing the page instead of deleting it.all it needs is more information and reference if that's needed.outlawdon (talk)18:43,13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * keep Page is of a notable singer. maybe needs more reference but that's not reason for the page delete. Manunited20 (talk) 10:53, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I cannot see sufficient IRSS to support notability.    While AfD is not about cleaning up articles, please feel free to improve the current referencing in the article if you know where to find good references.  The current ones are rather poor.  Aoziwe (talk) 15:34, 8 February 2017 (UTC)


 *  Keep Further comment I just added more reference to the page @ Aoziwe. I understand that the reference is not somehow so amazing, but not every wiki page has perfect referencing and are 100 percent.
 * Removed old reference and added new ones,also added new information. I hope the right thing is done 21:01,9 February 2017(UTC)


 * Delete - non-notable person. - The   Magnificentist  18:56, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


 * comment made by TheMagnificentist is false as the person is notable. How can you be not notable and have some many YouTube & reference pages? do the research before negativity please . 15.38,10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I searched it on Google News and received only 5 results, all of them aren't about any Assyrian singers named George Mansur. - The   Magnificentist  13:17, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * comment made by TheMagnificentist... So what your implying is that all articles on Wikipedia have google news reference on them? your meant to type up the actual name on google. not every page on Wikipedia has news pages, in saying that there are so many Assyrian Artist on Wikipedia that have similar reference pages to what I have posted and are still on Wikipedia and have been for years.16:42,13 February 2017 (UTC) User:Outlawdon.
 * Please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS Aoziwe (talk) 10:59, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I would like a moderator to review the situation with the deletion of the the page as it has been getting updated since it was created and is within the wiki standards.16:43,13 February 2017 (UTC) User:Outlawdon.
 * Comment
 * The references are still almost of no use at all. They consist of track listings for two or three albums, and a video clip or two.
 * The references do demonstrate that the person is a singer, has released two or three albums, and is assyrian.
 * They are no reviews of the albums referenced.
 * Some of the references seem to mismatch some of the dates given in the discography.
 * They do not show that the person is based in Sydney.
 * They do not show that the person was born in Baghdad.
 * A couple of the references seem to be blogs, and not reliable reference sites.
 * Shopping sites, ie music down load sites, are not normally good reference sites.
 * There is more referencing here for the albums than the artist. Notability is not inherited.
 * Sorry, but you need to find independent reliable secondary reference sites about the artist.
 * If you can address the above there might be a good chance the article will survive. If I have missed anything and got it wrong I am happy to be corrected.  WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO will provide a lot more information.
 * Aoziwe (talk) 10:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment - I Understand that the reference does not explain every detail of the artist, but they do show his notability right? He has many albums released .with the previous comment I left I said many Assyrian artists have similar reference to what I have posted on George Mansur page.


 * The artist is Assyrian
 * The artist has released all the albums listed
 * He is from Sydney Australia (Stated on his official Facebook & Twitter)
 * Born in Iraq Baghdad was removed until we get future reference on The Place of Birth.
 * The page is simple and does not include information that should not be included.
 * The Artist is a very known artist from Australia Just like the other Assyrian singers listed on Wikipedia
 * If you type the artist name on Google that will show so many pictures videos and music web pages of the music artist
 * Outlawdon (talk) 15:37, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Please note that I would like to keep the article if it can be properly referenced. Facebook and twitter are not reliable reference sites and doubly so if they are "official" sites because they are also then primary references too, primary references not being acceptable here.  The best strategy you can adopt to keep the article is to find reliable, independent of the artist, secondary references about the artist specifically.  AS well as MUSICBIO and GNG, Please also see Identifying reliable sources and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.   Aoziwe (talk) 11:40, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Comment  - Just removed some information from the page as it had no reference..Would it be possible for Aoziwe to review and edit the page? As I don't have much Wikipedia experience..would love for someone to review and edit what the page needs so it can stay on Wikipedia.:Outlawdon 15:56, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks Outlawdon.  I am not sure that I can help any more than the advice I have already offered.  I have had two attempts to find sufficient better references with no success.  I was hoping you who I presume know the subject matter better than I, would be able to do so.  The underlying problem is the lack of independent, secondary, reliable references to support notability of the subject matter.  If these cannot be found there is nothing I nor other editors can do to improve the article.  The only thing I think I can suggest further is for you to check for references in the Assyrian people language, Modern Aramaic I presume?, but they still have to independent, secondary, and reliable, and readily translatable.  Regards.   Aoziwe (talk) 11:12, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 05:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. Clearly not notable. Extreme lack of independent coverage. Being Assyrian does not make one notable. Same with being from Sydney. No evidence of being very known, which itself is short of notable. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:36, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Cam down @ duffbeerforme you don't know what your typing up.No evidence of being very known? lol, read Wikipedia guide lines first. .:Outlawdon 15:59, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


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