Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Nattin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. No consensus to delete, close to netural on this one. Nakon 03:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

George Nattin

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Only claim to fame is being mayor of a town of 60k residents, which does not meet WP:PROD guidelines. Prod was disputed by creator. OhNo itsJamie Talk 00:52, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Ohnoitsjamie sought to kill six Bossier City mayor articles in a period of eight minutes on Feb. 10. He moved against George Nattin at .52, against Lo Walker at .51; against Jake W. Cameron at .47, at Marvin Anding at .49, at Hoffman fuller at .46, and Burgess McCranie at .44. I suppose this means 12:52 a.m. for Mr. Nattin but am not sure, maybe 12:52 p.m. How could he read and analyze six revised articles in eight minutes? Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:49, 12 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Louisiana-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerlyHMSSolent)|lambast 01:32, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerlyHMSSolent)|lambast 01:32, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * delete non-notable local politician per WP:POLITICIAN Deunanknute (talk) 01:50, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep The notability rules say nothing about mayors or the size of their cities. Portland, Maine, has a population 5,000 larger than Bossier City, but it has 24 mayors all deemed notable with their own Wikipedia articles. There are ten articles on Bossier City mayors, all but two recently submitted. Wilmington, Delaware, and Santa Fe, New Mexico, both 9,000 larger than Bossier City, have ten mayors each with Wikipedia articles. Missoula, Montana, which is 5,000 larger than Bossier City, has articles on sixteen mayors. Lancaster, Pennsylvania, is smaller than Bossier City and has articles on 41 mayors. Fairbanks, Alaska, is less than half the size of Bossier City. It has seven mayors on Wikipedia. The notability rule says there must be extensive press coverage of a local politician. That's all it says. It does that say that the press coverage has to be out-of-state. Therefore, the coverage can be in local newspapers. Any mayor anywhere is going to be carried in the local newspaper, some more than others. Mr. Nattin is referenced in papers in Midland, Texas; El Dorado and Camden, Arkansas, and Shreveport, Lake Charles, and Monroe, Louisiana, all obtained in an Internet search. With three terms, he is the second longest serving mayor of his city; two others are tied for first place with four terms.Billy Hathorn Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:33, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment See Other_stuff_exists. If you look closely at the articles about the mayors from those towns, you'll see that most of them went on to do more notable things (i.e., become a governor or member of congress). OhNo itsJamie Talk 15:33, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Reply Not true of Lancaster, Pennsylvania. I checked the first twenty mayors there as listed alphabetically, and only two served in an office other than mayor, one a state Cabinet position prior to 1840 and another as lieutenant govenor. Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:49, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Edwin Smeltz was an American politician. He served as the nineteenth mayor of Lancaster, Pennsylvania from 1894 to 1898.[1] That's all that is there. This person and others with similar one-line articles are considered notable.Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:32, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note. Here is a Wikipedia article about one of the Lancaster mayors:
 * Keep - WP:POLOUTCOMES notes that "Mayors of cities of at least regional prominence have usually survived AFD, although the article should say more than just 'Jane Doe is the mayor of Cityville'." This referenced article about a mayor of a city of regional prominence does say more than that. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 18:50, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * comment These articles were probably all nominated at the same time for the same reason I've been commenting at the same time; for a group of very similar articles, it's sometimes easier to research them together. Also, please only add comments to the end of a discussion. Deunanknute (talk) 23:04, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Bossier City is a small city that is secondary to Shreveport and so lacks regional significance.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * While secondary to Shreveport, RS's would appear to dispute the conclusion that Bossier City is not regionally significant. See, e.g. Historic Shreveport-Bossier: An Illustrated History of Shreveport and Bossier City. 24.151.10.165 (talk) 17:45, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 14:12, 18 February 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Keep. With all respect to the good faith of every participant here, I sense a tendency to equate "city of regional importance" with "city I've heard of". From the standpoint of Wikipedians based in East and West Coast urban centers, or outside the USA, Louisiana occupies little mind space, and "Bossier City" is a ridiculous-sounding name. To those unfamiliar with the region, it doesn't evoke a city larger than (say) Harrisburg, Pennsylvania (which it is).  We should pay attention to the population numbers and avoid jumping to an impressionistic conclusion. Kestenbaum (talk) 21:43, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, N ORTH A MERICA 1000 17:16, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak keep He is NOT notable per WP:POLITICIAN, since he was not mayor of a city of regional prominence; Bossier City isn't even the parish seat. And population numbers are irrelevant; despite assertions that 50,000 or 100,000 or whatever population makes a mayor automatically notable, no such number has ever achieved consensus. However, he may be notable per WP:GNG - ironically, because of criminal charges brought against him. --MelanieN (talk) 23:10, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * P.S. I would also not object to Richard Arthur Norton's suggestion (above) of a redirect to the city article (which surprisingly does not have a list of its former mayors, but it could). --MelanieN (talk) 03:01, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Bossier City may not be the parish seat, but it is by far the largest city in the parish, and has a clear majority of the parish's entire population. Kestenbaum (talk) 04:56, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Parish seat is Benton, a very small community but I understand growing too, about 15 miles up the highway from Bossier City. Why the concern about Bossier City not being the parish seat? Billy Hathorn (talk) 05:34, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Per MelanieN above, but with the comment that Nattin was not convicted. Geogene (talk) 00:13, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Even if it were the parish seat, that's quite a way from being "of regional importance". Admittedly, "regional" is open to interpretation, but I interpret a region as being several states in size. Not several counties. This encyclopedia is of global coverage. Geogene (talk) 00:17, 3 March 2015 (UTC) moved to bottom @ Geogene (talk) 00:21, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Regional cities. If that means over several states, then only Texarkana in Texas, for instance, would be a regional city, and it is less than half the size of Bossier City. Under that interpretation, Amarillo or even Houston could not qualify. Louisiana would have no regional cities under that view except perhaps for New Orleans. Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:20, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
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