Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Tod


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The result was   keep. postdlf (talk) 15:55, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

George Tod

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PROD removed and no reason given. There's no biographical information for this builder/surveyor, no independent sources to prove he had any lasting impact. He published a book, that's it. I've searched the British Newspaper Archive online and can't find anything to support the article. Fails WP:GNG. Sionk (talk) 17:49, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I wouldn't expect to find anything in newspapers. Where we do find coverage is in works like A History of Greenhouses; Glass Houses: a history of greenhouses, orangeries and conservatories; The Pineapple: King of Fruits; &c.  There doesn't seem to be a lot to say about him but so what?  He seems to have been influential in this field and that's good enough for me. Andrew (talk) 18:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Can't find any ref that would say that he was influential. His book might be notable as an early publication (1807, not 1823 as in the article) of drawings of greenhouses, although they were only "simply an advertisement of his work". -- ELEKHHT 03:17, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  18:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep If this guy had a lasting impact on the development of Greenhouses, then it should stay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.181.58 (talk) 22:24, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
 * No such assertion is made in the article. -- ELEKHHT 03:17, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:35, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep – Notable and influential in his field designing and building Hothouses and green houses for the likes of Marquis of Blandford, Earl of Upper Ossory and Queen. ShoesssS Talk 13:17, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Says who?? Sionk (talk) 13:29, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - Sources avaiable and shown here .  ShoesssS Talk 14:05, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I can see one book about the Marquis of Blandford that mentions one of Tod's plans. But the remainder of the search results are different George Tod's, as you must surely know! Sionk (talk) 14:39, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * * Comment – You are right, I never meant to imply that all the citations were in reference to “our” Mr. Tod. You had asked for additional references I was just pointing you to where I discovered them.  Regarding my Keep support I looked at several factors.  The first was the list of clients that Mr. Tod had for the design and fabrication of green/hothouses.  As shown in the first reference supplied, you must be impressed with the cliental Mr. Tod dealt with.  As shown, he was advising and working with the cream of the English and Irish gentry.  That in itself is notable.  Second, I looked at the time period,  early 19th century.  That means that Mr. Tod was sought after over 190 years ago when it was a time period that you could not be famous based on instant social media but needed to build your reputation through your work efforts and word of mouth.  And finally, I noted that Mr. Tod was referenced in 1992 for his design, which can be found on the second page of the Google Scholar page I supplied earlier.  That is also impressive.  Hence, I found Mr. Tod notable and influential.  Hope this explains my rational.  Regards,  ShoesssS Talk 17:25, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep Sources are hard to find, and will be mostly in specialist publications, but there seems to me to be enough out there that indicates he is notable for the early development and popularity of greenhouses, glasshouses, and conservatories . Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:22, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I agree that your search list shows much more convincing evidence of secondary sources many years after Tod's demise. It looks like this AfD is heading for 'Keep' anyway. Sionk (talk) 22:19, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
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