Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George W Auch


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Black Kite (t) (c) 22:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

George W Auch

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No references in third party reliable sources to verify the claims of notability. Google archive search brings back nothing. CutOffTies (talk) 15:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The sources found by the news and book searches linked above would appear to demonstrate notability of the company, if not of its founder, and most of the article content is about the company anyway. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete or rename-after-rewrite per Phil Bridger. I'm not finding anything about the person except that he founded the company...notability isn't inherited that way. However, the article as it stands is nearly for the company...hopeless PR-speak and other fluff. Unless someone does rewrite it to be neutral and cited rather than sounding like their webpage of self-promotion, I can only support deletion. DMacks (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * After reading the later changes, I'm weak delete. He certainly would merit a mention in his company's page, maybe even a few sentences about his earlier construction business that led to this company's formation (speaks a bit to company history/genesis). I don't know anything about Detroit politics to judge his notability on those counts, but WP:POLITICIAN doesn't suggest notability for alderman or school-board positions by default. If he was citedly involved in some notable action as part of that, then I would say almost that alone would be enough to keep (and moreover due to corp founding). Per MelanieN and Eluchil404 though, it's sadly hard to find that. DMacks (talk) 14:34, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - Note that the version I originally AFD's was more about the individual - --CutOffTies (talk) 13:20, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: I've rewritten George W Auch completely to be about the person, rather than the company (which should properly be at George W. Auch Company). Previous commenters may wish to see if the change in focus and addition of references changes their !vote or not. Andrew Jameson (talk) 16:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep: As such, George W. Auch the person is minorly notable, but notable nonetheless. In addition to founding a long-established company (which I think should count for something, if not everything), he was School Board President of the Detroit schools for two years; holding a mid-major elected office in a major city should pass the notability threshold. Andrew Jameson (talk) 16:56, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Second comment: This AFD should really be in the biography category, but I can't figure out how to tag it as such. :(  A little help? Andrew Jameson (talk) 00:26, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Reply - I figured it out - look at this diff. --CutOffTies (talk)
 * Weak delete I give him the benefit of the doubt because his era is not well documented online, and because the company he founded is still in existence after 100 years. However, Google Books finds only passing mentions, or mentions of his company; you'd think there would be more about him, if he had been truly notable. --MelanieN (talk) 02:57, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'd like to say keep because based on his achievements he was likely at least marginally notable by Wikipedia standards.  But untill and unless reliable sources can be found that discuss the subject in enough detail to support an article I have to go with delete.  Eluchil404 (talk) 07:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 08:25, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep: I find Andrew Jameson's argument persuasive. Criterion #2 of WP:POLITICIAN holds that "Generally speaking, mayors of cities of at least regional importance are likely to meet this criterion, as are members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city."  It would be hard to claim that the president of the school board does not at least qualify as a "member of the main citywide government."  There's at least one contemporaneous hit on Google News confirming that Auch was the president of the school board .   ῲ Ravenswing ῴ  07:25, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:25, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:25, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. The person is of marginal notability, but is a legitimate historical person of interest. older ≠ wiser 22:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - simply doesn't meet WP:BIO. TerriersFan (talk) 15:56, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.