Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Georgetown University Student Association (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:11, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Georgetown University Student Association
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Non-notable organization at Georgetown. Nearly all of the reliable sources are to the student newspaper The Hoya, which cannot be used as a reliable source as it is not separated enough from the subject (also note the original author). The AFD from 2008 closed as no consensus, but it is clear now that Wikipedia shouldn't be hosting all of these individual student organization articles. There are only four sources used on this article that are not from Georgetown. THe first one doesn't mention the organization, the second is dead, the third doesn't appear to be a reliable source, and the fourth is a passing mention.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 04:39, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - looks like it fails WP:CORPDEPTH. Have had a look for additional sources - the same non-independent sources keep coming up. Surely links from Georgetown University and it's own student newspaper can't be considered "reliable third party" sources for an article about that university's student association. There are a small number of additional articles from the Washington Post (some referenced and one or two others I found) but they don't really talk about the organisation in detail. They talk about individuals rather than the organisation. Could consider a Merge with Georgetown University. The same could probably be said for The Hoya - 6 of 8 "references" for "The Hoya" are articles from "The Hoya" - hardly independent third parties. The other two are from GU. Cheers, Stalwart 111  (talk) 05:04, 3 September 2012 (UTC).
 * Georgetown University, not Georgia University. You might be having an autocorrect issue.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 07:07, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was. Fail. Should have seen that... Thanks for picking that up! Stalwart 111  (talk) 10:01, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:39, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:39, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - worth having a look at Articles for deletion/Georgetown University Lecture Fund for some additional context. Stalwart 111  (talk) 04:28, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Again, I have to disagree with the nominator, and their phrase "as it is not separated enough". The campus newspaper has nothing to do with student government. The analogy here is that newspaper employees in a town of 12,000 are not reliable to write about their local government because they reside in the same town. Besides the previous nomination, it was also part of a previous general effort to merge all student governments into their university articles that was also rejected.-- Patrick, o Ѻ ∞ 03:40, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep because (1) essenitally all large student governments at elite universities have been kept in the past, and such articles are almost always the targets of mergers of individual clubs; and (2) Bill Clinton started his polticial career as a freshman senator in this organization, thus making this a likely soucre of research in the future for our audience. Bearian (talk) 17:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 11:56, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep I have !voted to delete almost all of the excessive number of articles on Georgetown student clubs that have been listed here, but I would keep the page on the principal student organization of any major university.  DGG ( talk ) 01:35, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:GNG, and per Bearian.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 00:38, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
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