Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Georgia Ice Dogs men's ice hockey


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. JForget 00:48, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Georgia Ice Dogs men's ice hockey
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minor club sport team with no claim of notability for inclusion or third party reliable sources. 16x9 (talk) 22:17, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep.' Take note of this user's recent contribs. Evidently has vendetta against UGA Hockey. Petitioned to have other Ga Hockey related article closed as well. Perhaps opposing fans shouldn't have deletion powers on wikipedia. Anonymous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.16.78 (talk) 04:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 *  Keep Unsure. This is the varsity ice hockey team of the University of Georgia. I am no sports fan, but it seems to me that any varsity team of a major university would be noteworthy enough to have a Wikipedia page. Correct me if I am wrong. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 01:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Revised my comment to Unsure in light of new information provided by User:Grsz11. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 20:40, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment It is not a varsity team of UGA, whose teams are known as the Bulldogs. It is associated with the American Collegiate Hockey Association, which sponsors club sports which are not formally associated with the university.  Grsz 11  02:16, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment It is formally associated as a student organization on campus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.16.78 (talk) 04:43, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 02:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete A thorough, albeit unsourced, article, but as a low-level club team this article fails WP:GNG.  Grsz 11  03:57, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Note that their competitor Georgia Tech has an entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Tech_Ice_Hockey Perhaps the problem is the article is poorly cited, which can be fixed, but doesn't warrant deletion. Looks like opposing team fans are wikipedia editors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.16.78 (talk) 04:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)  — 97.81.16.78 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.    RGTraynor  05:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and Articles for deletion/Georgia Tech Ice Hockey.  Grsz 11  05:06, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete in a heap of ice shavings: Sorry, no; this is a sub-varsity club team that might merit a single paragraph's inclusion in the UGA sports article, but probably not; I doubt there's much coverage of JV sports in it. Beyond that, the sanctioning organization, according to its own article, sponsors numerous club teams from universities with varsity hockey programs; its article, for instance, claims to sanction teams at Northeastern, UNH, U Vermont, Boston College, UMass, and Merrimack, all Hockey East NCAA Division I schools.  It's long been held that student organizations don't get a prima facie notability pass from WP:GNG, and this shouldn't either.  Finally, let's assume some good faith here - you don't have to be a fan of some other school to find that this article fails to satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines.    RGTraynor  05:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No you don't. But when the original deletion-er is attempting to purge ONLY uga hockey related articles from the commons, his motive is rightly drawn into question. Good faith was assumed as I only encourage people to look at what this person has done recently; I did not make any firm conclusions. I merely offered my interpretation of the event. Additionally, I reject the implication that I'm only on here to comment on this article (since you included the "few edits outside this topic" tag). Look at my history and you'll see I've dabbled a short bit in wikipedia before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.16.78 (talk) 05:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Six edits to date before the first of these related AfDs constitute "few" edits by anyone's standards.   RGTraynor  07:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I disagree. It's snarky, and a poor attempt to "pull rank". --UgaBullDawgFan08 (talk) 07:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You're certainly welcome to try to change Wikipedia consensus on our definitions. This may be a place to start; good fortune.   RGTraynor  08:09, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Collegiate hockey is vastly different from other intercollegiate sports as far a club hockey is concerned. Because NCAA ice hockey is confined largely to the Northeast and Upper Midwest, club hockey is the highest level of intercollegiate ice hockey in much of the United States. That being said, my "keep" vote is largely dependent on someone obtaining third party sources.  Here are a few possibilities-  Kithira  (talk) 13:16, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Change my vote to Delete. If there is indeed a precedent of deleting club hockey team articles, as Djsasso says, then it should be followed and the article deleted. Kithira  (talk) 17:55, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Club level hockey has long been deleted as not being sufficiently notable for inclusion, just like the majority of beer league hockey in Canada which arguably has more talent than many of these university club teams. -DJSasso (talk) 14:47, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Do you have any source for this rather outrageous claim that collegiate hockey's talent is lower than that of recreational hockey? Or is it just regional bias? --UgaBullDawgFan08 (talk) 16:17, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not saying that collegiate hockey is lower than rec level hockey. ACHA hockey is rec level hockey. Its a club team not a NCAA team. There is a difference. -DJSasso (talk) 18:54, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete It's a club team . Maybe it can be merged to Georgia Bulldogs in the Other sports section.  Patken4 (talk) 15:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Patken4's idea is correct, Delete this article per reasons already stated, this is a D3 ACHA/club team and theres also some questionalbe info in the article. But some info can be condensed and merged into another aricle such as Georgia Bulldogs or a student activities section of the main university website.


 * Generally ACHA Hockey articles should be merged into the school's main article under athletics or student activities or on the schools atheletics article and deleted. (It hasnt come up yet but it'd be interesting to see what would happen to an article on one of the higher level ACHA DI teams where some schools consider them varsity club sports like Iowa State, Lindenwood, etc...)--Bhockey10 (talk) 22:50, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * CommentMy merge comment is more towards simply saying the team exists and maybe say they finished second in the ACHA D-III championship. Nothing more should be said about the team as it simply isn't all that notable.  Patken4 (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: A case could be made for a team at a university which regards them as official varsity sports; we have articles for Tier II junior league teams, after all. That being said, Iowa State at least doesn't consider ice hockey a significant enough sport to be included on its athletics' website.    RGTraynor  03:23, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment A good point. University of Michigan-Dearborn's team appears alongside their varsity teams on the website and is described as a "varsity club".  Grsz 11  03:31, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete ACHA hockey teams are student clubs that no affiliation with the NCAA or their corresponding schools' athletic dept ( http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/index-main.html ). ccwaters (talk) 16:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not seem to satisfy our verifiability and notability inclusion criteria. Chillum  17:35, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. Looks the weather reports indicate it's snowing.  Patken4 (talk) 22:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
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