Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Georgina Butler


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Arguments to keep are stronger here, as the provided sources have not been explicitly rebutted. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:25, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Georgina Butler

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Routine coverage here fails WP:GNG. Uhooep (talk) 16:43, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, Bilateral relations, United Kingdom, Costa Rica,  and Nicaragua.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:57, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete no significant coverage to meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 00:23, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The most significant coverage here is surely "British Ambassador Bids Country Farewell", in The Tico Times and the detailed page in Helen McCarthy, Women of the World: The Rise of the Female Diplomat (2014). Each of those alone seems to comply with the WP:GNG, but there are also many hits at Google Books and Jstor, as we would expect with a British ambassador. The GNG is not of course anything to do with importance, so in theory I agree that an ambassador could prove to be non-notable, but thanks to the coverage they get in their international role from journalists and academics I think in practice it would be pretty hard for one to achieve such obscurity. Moonraker (talk) 05:11, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * There are zero hits on JSTOR. LibStar (talk) 03:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Gbooks comes up with many namesakes, but I could only find 1 hit referring to this ambassador. It is misleading to say "many hits at Google Books and Jstor". LibStar (talk) 03:49, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * , I have just counted eight references to this Georgina Butler, the ambassador or diplomat, at Google Books. As you say, there are others which are not her. Moonraker (talk) 22:34, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Which are the "many hits" on JSTOR? I don't see any. LibStar (talk) 22:35, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 16:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment; Perhaps we do see here "routine coverage" for a British ambassador, but that is always going to be at a higher level than for less notable roles in life. The GNG gives this helpful definition: "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Moonraker (talk) 13:06, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Moonraker that those are two solid sources. For filling in details some non-independent sources are fine. Does anyone have access to Nicaraguan newspapers? That should give us more sources. Lamona (talk) 19:43, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Weak keep With the sources Moonraker has provided, plus what is already in the article, I'd say that is enough to support the page remaining. Editors should remember that AfDs are not a substitution for article clean-up.Historyday01 (talk) 04:43, 8 March 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.