Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Georgios Mikellides


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. This is a BLP so arguments of presumed notability don’t carry as much weight as the complete failure to provide high quality sourcing as required by the GNG. On that basis we can’t keep this because he is a fellow of a royal society and none of the other keep argument grip against policy. Since we seem to have a lot of promo and logged out editind and are skirting G5 territory I’m salting as an individual admin action but will unlock is a) a draft passed afc or b) an established neutral editor has text based on sources to put up Spartaz Humbug! 15:45, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Georgios Mikellides

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Potential Copyvio, definite promotion, disruptively moved from draft. Likely socking. This could all be fixed if he were notable, but there's nothing to indicate this doctor and PhD student is. None of the creators will accept draft space, so we're here for consensus. Star  Mississippi  13:38, 17 August 2023 (UTC) ETA: aware of Fellowship, but still not sure it's enough. Star  Mississippi  16:50, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Medicine, Cyprus,  and England.  Star   Mississippi  13:38, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Badly needs a rewrite, this is PROMO. One source mentions him, but nothing substantial. Appears to have published a few papers, but these are used as primary sourcing. Nothing in RS about this person, only things by him. Oaktree b (talk) 13:52, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Only mentions in Gnewspapers are for a port master from 1995, I don't think it's the same person. Oaktree b (talk) 13:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This is not a promo he is famous in Cyprus appearing on various national tv channels and newspapers. Here in this article https://avant-garde.com.cy/articles/prosopa/o-ethnikos-mas-psyhiatros-panta-tha-legetai-mikellidis the reporter stated that the national psychiatrist would be always called Mikellides — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.207.159.188 (talk) 14:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * George Mikellidis sits on the "couch" of the Lunch Break Challenge and dives into the depths of the Cypriot soul it's an interview, so it does not help for notability one bit. Please log in and use only one account. Star   Mississippi  14:22, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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 * He has lead an innovative research study which is the first in the world and compares Ketamine vs rTMS treatment in treatment resistant depression[35] rTMS has a major breakthrough in neuropsychiatry as an innovative therapy
 * He is well-known to the public in Cyprus as a TV pundit and has also been elected to the board of directors in Anorthosis Famagusta FC.[4][5][6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.207.159.188 (talk) 14:25, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * You can see the numerous times he spoke on national tv channels and parts of these interviews are available on his youtube channel Δρ Γιώργος Μικελλίδης-Cyprus rTMS - YouTube 213.207.159.188 (talk) 14:29, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:BIO to understand what is required for notability, specifically WP:SIRS. And please log in to your primary account. Star   Mississippi  14:41, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep He is a Fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrist, a TV pundit in Cyprus, and also has published research on rTMS vs Ketamine, the first known study in the world that has compared the two in a naturalistic setting 213.207.186.31 (talk) 17:21, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. Note that being a Fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists is far more notable than being a "PhD student". Fellowship (as opposed to membership) of a Royal College is only granted to those who have contributed substantially to the profession. To quote the RCPsych itself: We award Fellowship as a mark of distinction and recognition of contributions to psychiatry. I'm not saying that this makes him automatically notable, but just pointing out that his notability is not based on just being a doctor and PhD candidate. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:33, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Were you able to verify that @Necrothesp? I'm imagining there's some transliteration concerns but the search returns no results. His university profile just says member. Star   Mississippi  15:47, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * this is out dated, you can see here that he is a fellow Results (rcpsych.ac.uk) 213.207.159.188 (talk) 16:00, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Public members list (rcpsych.ac.uk) 213.207.159.188 (talk) 16:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/members/public-members-list he is a fellow 213.207.186.31 (talk) 16:08, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No. Unfortunately the search page doesn't work for anybody, so I'm assuming it's broken. And you're right that his CV just says he's a member rather than a fellow. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:08, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * if you write mikellides in the search box it comes out as fellow, you can simply check it on the Royal College of Psychiatrists website Public members list see above 213.207.186.31 (talk) 16:10, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * you can also see it here on his Frontiers Loop profile that he is a fellow https://loop.frontiersin.org/people/1336469 213.207.186.31 (talk) 16:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, it wasn't working for anyone when I tried it. Obviously having a hiccough. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:08, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * you can even see here his actual Fellowship award https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5622AQHNhW_zHp4_iA/feedshare-shrink_1280/0/1670949355632?e=1695254400&v=beta&t=LCrjAP2f2YXmbaAEktKjNIDJP1jmpBdG6tG3ERXiNAI 213.207.186.31 (talk) 16:18, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * you can even see here his actual Fellowship award https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5622AQHNhW_zHp4_iA/feedshare-shrink_1280/0/1670949355632?e=1695254400&v=beta&t=LCrjAP2f2YXmbaAEktKjNIDJP1jmpBdG6tG3ERXiNAI 213.207.186.31 (talk) 16:21, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep because he is a Fellow of The Royal College of Psychiatrists in the United Kingdom and a television pundit in Cyprus. A. Landmesser (talk) 16:27, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you, you can also see here his pioneering innovative research work meeting headlines in Cyprus on Ketamine and rTMS https://www.philenews.com/kipros/kali-zoi/article/570658/protoporiaki-erevna-gia-tin-katathlipsi-stin-kipro/ 213.207.186.31 (talk) 16:32, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * also his work on Ketamine and rTMS has been incorporated by the Canadian Agency for Drugs and Technologies in Health https://www.cadth.ca/ketamine-adults-treatment-resistant-depression-or-post-traumatic-stress-disorder 213.207.186.31 (talk) 16:36, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I do see that he's a fellow, and will update my nomination, but I'm not sure that's automatically notable either per Necrothesp's point. IP 231, this doesn't work as it's not a reliable source, nor do the dates match up with RPC's fellowship so a better source will likely be needed especially if this is kept. I'm going to remind you again to please log in and edit with your account. Star   Mississippi  16:50, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Comment (done by Star Mississippi, as below) the best source to confirm that he is a fellow of the RCP is  their website
 * If you go here https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/members/public-members-list and type his surname mikellides, there is the only one mikellides psychiatrist who is a fellow
 * He is also famous in Cyprus as a TV pundit. 213.207.159.188 (talk) 17:18, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have struck your second vote and turned it into a comment as you're only to !vote once. Please log in to your account. Star   Mississippi  17:36, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * thank you 213.207.186.31 (talk) 17:43, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The criteria are met as he is a Fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrist, a TV pundit but also he has published innovative work, described as the first study in the world to compare Ketamine vs rTMS Ieromaxos (talk) 17:50, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: the article is written more like a not-so-neutral tone, and not enough reliable sources in English, there are but are mostly Greek. signed, 64andtim  ( chat ) 04:43, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * 64andtim, it's not a factor that sources are not in English. That should never be a factor in favor of deletion. There is no requirement that sourcse need to be in English or be online. Liz Read! Talk! 07:08, 18 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete: The article is being updated, but each edit appears to add more and more airy peacock-feathering and writing clearly not in a neutral tone. GraziePrego (talk) 04:52, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete or Move to Draft: This article is badly written and is not in Wikipedia tone. It needs lot of rewrite. As some voted keep and claiming it notable, I suggest to move this in draft where it can be rewritten. ❯❯❯  Chunky aka Al Kashmiri   (✍️) 04:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: I tried to rewrite, but it needs copyediting and referencing because there is lot of information which is not referenced.  ❯❯❯  Chunky aka Al Kashmiri   (✍️) 05:27, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It was in draft, and they would not accept that, which is how we ended up here. The SPI will hopefully stop some of the disruptive editing so a neutral article can emerge. I'm still unable to assess whether he's notable given sourcing. Star   Mississippi  14:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I have many doubts about notability. I rewrote the article to facilitate a more straightforward evaluation of the information. However, the issue of notability still persists. I'm now awaiting responses from other editors.  ❯❯❯  Chunky aka Al Kashmiri   (✍️) 17:45, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment. Editors commenting here need to realise that (a) AfD is not cleanup and it is the notability of the topic that is relevant not the quality of the article, and (b) sources do not have to be in English to be valid. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:11, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep but redraft. The article is written like a resume, not a biography of a living person. That is not a reason to delete the article. Looking at the article history, it once had 37 cited sources, which has now been cut down to less than 8, after being severely rewritten while this discussion has been going on. However, deleting the article because it is badly written isn't going to address the question of notability. The article needs to be totally redrafted according to the Manual of Style, not deleted because people don't like it. Once redrafted, perhaps notability will be more apparent. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 02:28, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Just noting Sockpuppet investigations/Abbasshaikh124. It's not a G5, technically, as Bastien moved but didn't create it, and there are solid arguments for potentially keeping the article. But hopefully the disruption here and at the article will stop to allow for productive editing and notability assessment. Star   Mississippi  12:13, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak delete - the fellowship and national visibility certainly count for sonething but I don't think it is enough; there are many fellows of that society (whilst it is for senior psychologists, there are many of those around), there are many doctoral students in psychology and there are likely quite a few clinical lecturers (albeit possibly not many in Cyprus). So in my view we are left with trying to assess these together with the TV punditry. To me, it sounds like he occasionally comments when asked questions on the TV news. Maybe I'm wrong, but if that's the case I don't see that this is enough as there are obviously many people who give opinions on the TV news. JMWt (talk) 07:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC)


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