Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Georgios Tsalmpouris


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The result was delete. Consensus is that the article does not meet the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 17:18, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Georgios Tsalmpouris

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Not a notable basketball player. Averaged a measly 1.4 points per game for a good but not great Iowa State team. Seems to be his only claim to relevance was him being the seventh seven-footer in the school's history. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 00:25, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Georgios is a notable player in european basketball circuits. He plays for the Greek national team and shows great promise. He only had low stat averages his freshman year because of a deep Iowa State front court. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.33.112.137 (talk) 03:47, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear he played for the Greek U18 team, not the national team. But if you can find enough sources to establish notability, by all means go ahead. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 18:11, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:24, 22 June 2015 (UTC) Delete This seems to be at best a case of WP:TOOSOON, and even then only if he improves significantly. I did a quick google search and found nothing more significant in terms of sources that what was used within the first 5 pages of results. FIBA and Iowa State sources wouldn't be independent leaving only a blurb on his euro exploits from a beat writer in the Des Moines Register and one feature article in the same paper that only highlights his lack of notability by pointing out how much of an event it is when he finally gets off the bench. If he's notable in European Circuits, perhaps some English-language sources from there could be found, but otherwise it needs to be deleted. SCMatt33 (talk) 02:55, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, he's considered to be one of the top talents in both European players and US college players. Being rated in the best players of both Europe and NCAA sophomores, and also a high NBA draft prospect in the coming years. But the article is full of errors. I am trying to fix it.Bluesangrel (talk) 05:14, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * He is not considered one of the top sophomores in the country, I don't know where you got that information. He did absolutely nothing his freshman year at Iowa State. Perhaps the situation is different in Europe, but as of the moment, the article gives absolutely no indication of notability. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 13:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * He is considered to be one of the top ranked NCAA freshmen according to draftexpress.com. He did not play a lot because of being a true freshman and being in a stacked front court in Iowa State. If you would actually know about the scouts rankings, and not just the ones that are from before anyone knew who he was in USA, then you would know he is rated as one of top talents in NCAA. Actually, he's ranked that way even in draftexpress.com despite not having played at all basically. He simply was not going to play hardly at all as a true freshman, in such a loaded front court. Especially since he came from being such an inexperienced player in Europe, where he only had played in a small town and not even in the Greek youth program. I would wager money even he is considered a much bigger prospect in USA than he is in Europe. Saying he averaged 1.4 points per game is pretty meaningless on that point, since they never intended for him to play much his first year. Regardless, I can back up that he's definitely considered one of the top NCAA talents. If you want some confirmation, draftexpress.com has him ranked at #62 in the NCAA freshman rankings (which is the highest of the ranking groupings, as each class higher you go the players are less likely to get drafted into the NBA, and remember there are 60 draft picks) and from my personal knowledge of international basketball, I believe that draftexpress.com has the strongest bias against international players of just about any ranking site out there. Here is the NCAA freshman ranking list at draftexpress.com Tsalmpouris was at #62, and most of the players ranked above him already got drafted into the NBA, and the ones that did not are now on NBA mock drafts for the next draft. So yes, he is considered to be one of the top NCAA talents. Regardless of how much playing time he did or did not get as a true freshman in a stacked Iowa State front court. That much is a true issue.Bluesangrel (talk) 19:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * No matter how highly regarded he may be by some (and your evidence doesn't make me think that it is), you have not produced anything which would make me think that he passes WP:GNG. The fact that he never played in a youth program and does not appear to be a big import does not make it seem like he is all that important. ~ EDDY  ( talk / contribs ) ~ 23:18, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I was merely stating that he is in fact considered one of the top NCAA talents and prospects and that your opinion that he is not isn't correct. An opinion can be anyone's opinion, but it does not make it right. What the other editor said about that was correct. All I was saying, was the other editor that mentioned that particular thing, which was questioned and claimed as being untrue was telling the truth about that. He is considered one of the top NCAA talents and prospects. We can keep arguing about an individual's personal opinion on here claiming otherwise, but I don't find that to be very constructive. I was not doing anything other than backing up that in fact what that other editor said on that matter was true. Simply because they said something true and they were being called out on it, as if they were lying. And now looks like I am also. If the article does not meet the standard, just say so. If an article does not meet the criteria, say it does not. And we can agree on it. But it's unnecessary to argue and dispute over something trivial like the fact that the player is considered a top NCAA talent, when he is and to accuse on some claiming that. The player can be a top NCAA talent and prospect, while also not meeting the article criteria. It's not mutually exclusive. There is no need to add on other unnecessary commentary. Let's keep it civil please.Bluesangrel (talk)

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 * Comment - if people think Tsalmpouris meets WP:GNG, please link some sources that establish this. I haven't had time to do my own research, but I can tell you he's not so well known as a college player that this is a "no brainer." Rikster2 (talk) 13:48, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 14:42, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, don't see how he'd meet WP:NBASKETBALL with a few college games, and national youth games as his sole experience. Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC).


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