Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gerard Sundberg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE with the possibility of userfication for the purposes of a merge.  Spinning Spark  00:21, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Gerard Sundberg

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No reliable sources, and fails WP:MUSIC. Declined PROD p  b  p  00:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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 * I don't like doing this part, but I gotta go delete on this one. Closest I can see is WP:MUSIC #5, but CD Baby is not one such indy label - and beyond this, there's nothing else to work with that I can find. -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 02:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * @Dennis - I found an album Sundberg has on the Telarc label, hope that helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.96.146 (talk • contribs)
 * Delete - I cannot find sufficient reliable sources about him -- Foetusized (talk) 02:52, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Comment - I wish people would not nominate pages like this one. It was factually accurate, hurt nothing by existing, and was valid encyclopedic content. Once challenged at AfD, it becomes a search for multiple substantial independently published sources — which will end in GNG failure, deletion, and loss of nomination about this music professor and recording artist. No one here, least of all the nominator, should be proud of themselves over this outcome, which is a failure of the AfD system. Carrite (talk) 16:40, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Nomination? You mean information? The information in the article should be removed, because it's not reliably sourced and this is a BLP.  p  b  p  21:34, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


 * KEEP - Some articles start small with limited information. Let's give it some time for other people to find the article and contribute what they know about Sundberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.211.96.146 (talk • contribs) — 69.211.96.146 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * This is best left in the hands of the article creators. Frankly, if you don't fix it, who will? -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 23:46, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. I found a lot of local press stories announcing concerts with him, but little to no in-depth coverage (such as reviews of those concerts) that would pass WP:CREATIVE or WP:GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:13, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. I am the article's creator. I have met Sundberg personally and he is definitely a notable musician and academic. At present, I am having difficulty locating sources in digital form (though I have some in print - newspaper clippings and so forth). I would appreciate some more time to conduct my research. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erru il 1988 (talk • contribs)
 * Erru il 1988, this needs to be proven per our guidelines. Also, you have a week from the start of the AFD.  -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 04:42, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, you should read this. It's not a policy, more a true guideline, but this will tell you how to deal with this particular issue.  -- Dennis The Tiger   (Rawr and stuff) 04:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG. SalHamton (talk) 22:06, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Uncertain I think this is borderline. Wheaton is a very respectable school, and if they made him a full professor I would trust their judgement. But Erru, there is no need at all for sources to be online; the article says he was a soloist in some performances that might have been reviewed, and it's those reviews that would make the case for notability . ( unsigned: DGG)
 * Trust Wheaton's judgment on what? Are they in the business of writing encyclopedia articles on their faculty? 66.108.176.187 (talk) 01:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think DGG means trust their judgment on notability and productivity. We do this all the time: we trust Pulitzer Prize boards, Major paper's obits, etc. to have a grasp of the notability of the subjects.  We trust the judgment of majors schools (and Wheaton is one when it comes to music) in awarding tenure and especially the full professorship to notable researchers, performers, etc.  Sometimes they get things wrong, so we never completely defer, but the bar (at least for me) is lower at that point.  It is why we defer completely in the case of named chairs, distinguished professors, etc. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 15:22, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure Wheaton judged him based on his professional accomplishments. You're supposed to judge him based on his notability. 66.108.176.187 (talk) 07:18, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is no real claim of notability and the article is not supported by a single WP:RS, but rather only personal webpages and websites selling recordings. Agricola44 (talk) 14:55, 8 April 2013 (UTC).
 * Keep, or at least Relist Notability is impossible to prove or even define, but it seems clear that he was significant in the history of the Wheaton College Men's Glee Club.  To be fair, that august Club's article is also dinged for questionable notability, but in my opinion any organization that lasts for 100 years is notable enough for a wikipedia article.  I say, give Erru more time to prove significance.  Listmeister (talk) 21:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. There are well-established conventions for assessing notability, one of the most important of which is that the subject must have been "noted" by reliable sources, like citations to their work, secondary articles about them, etc. Being associated with a club is not notable per se, nor is notability associated with being in existence for a certain length of time. Sources are what are needed – many eyes have looked, but none have found. Agricola44 (talk) 14:43, 9 April 2013 (UTC).


 * Neutral, leaning Weak Delete by both WP:PROF and CREATIVE. A full professor of voice at a strong college music program is usually enough for a Keep (as the "Uncertain" voter (DGG) notes), but I could not find sufficient documentation of a performing or recording career -- the Telac recording (a major label) would be enough if he were a soloist or part of a smaller group, but one of 10 or more singers on a 3 minute piece is not enough.  The other two recordings, where he is the main or featured performer are not of sufficient notability to affect the outcome. Given the academic position, it wouldn't take much more to be found to push him to the Keep camp, but I just don't see it. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 15:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge into Wheaton College Men's Glee Club, seems a shame to lose the information on the page. J04n(talk page) 00:47, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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