Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Germanic peoples (modern)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete per CSD: G5. Elockid  ( Talk ) 18:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC) (Note: Article was created by User:Enbionycaar. -- Jreferee (talk) 12:09, 29 March 2013 (UTC)) )

Germanic peoples (modern)

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Fork of Germanic peoples. Agreement there was that Germanic-speaking Europe should be expanded as the concept of "Germanic peoples" does not apply in a modern context. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 08:57, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Most of the Germanic peoples (modern) article content is not mentioned in the Germanic peoples article! Germanic peoples (modern) was specifically requested at @ Talk: Germanic peoples 95.200.80.240 (talk) 08:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * There are several issues needing discussion:
 * 1. Is the subject of "modern German peoples" notable enough in reliable sources to have an article about it? I think there is no dispute that very occasionally people talk as if there are still "Germanic peoples", but it is not common. This is also a sourcing issue and has already been raised at WP:RSN. See . I personally believe that this sourcing is not strong enough to justify a separate article, but maybe more sourcing is available? For example there may well be sourcing concerning the way this concept was handled by the Nazis.
 * 2. Second question is whether or not the sourcing is strong enough to at least earn mention in the existing Germanic Peoples article. In my mind this discussion is still a bit open, but things a confused: On the one hand the paragraph which keeps getting inserted in the lead (mentioning Sudeten Germans, Afrikaners, etc) looks fringe and has very little support from non IP editors. But this is not the only option in my opinion. That paragraph is in itself not good.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 11:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * This is an AfD request on whether there should be a stand alone article (e.g., WP:GNG, WP:NOT, WP:CFORK) on Germanic peoples (modern). Discussing whether or not the sourcing is strong enough to at least earn mention in the existing Germanic Peoples article in this discussion may confuse things. On the other hand, if you think merge of Germanic peoples (modern) into Germanic peoples is a viable option, it would be fine to discuss/maintain that view in this AfD. -- Jreferee (talk) 11:30, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * True. Maybe I should have stated upfront that according to me, no one has yet given any sources which justify a stand alone article for this subject.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 16:04, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - a quick googlebooks on "modern Germanic people" throws up nothing of immediate relevance. I suspect if there was adequate Reliable sourcing out there, the content would already have been validated and stayed in the Germanic peoples article already. GraemeLeggett (talk) 12:23, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - I cannot see the rationale for keeping this article when we have German language which tells one what what one wishes to know about this subject. In any case, if people from one part of the world have been in another country for several generations, if not centuries (e.g. USA), this article's  raison d'etre  raises several questions. The German language article does the job splendidly.--Zananiri (talk) 13:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.