Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Germans in Czechoslovakia (1918–38)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:50, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Germans in Czechoslovakia (1918–38)

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I have nominated this article for deletion, though perhaps slightly hesitantly. I considered proposing a merger, but decided against it for the following reasons. Most importantly, the article is redundant. This has been subjected to discussion previously, and most of the content has been moved to Sudeten Germans and Carpathian Germans, for Germans living in the Czech and Slovak parts of Czechoslovakia, respectively. There is also History of the Jews in Czechoslovakia and less notably, Zipser Germans. The first two of these articles include a good portion on Germans in interwar Czechoslovakia, the Sudeten Germans article in particular.

Afterwards, the page became a simple redirect for a short period of time. Since then, has proposed to rebuild the article based on the fact that there were other Germans and German-speaking people living in Czechoslovakia, which appears to be a solid point.

However, the article in its current state attests to the fact that this is more difficult than was thought. As of this moment, it consists mostly of census statistics masked as prose. Of the six sections, three consist of lists. One for education listing two universities, one for press (with only 2 out of 10 wikilinked and only 1 other wikilink-able), and one for notable people (already more substantially included in the Sudeten Germans article). Sections are rather short, and could hypothetically be merged into a single section. If this were the case, the sections in the other forks would still be bigger and more informative.

All in all, I see no reason to retain this article. There appears to be little to actually merge, since essentially nearly everything is already included in the aforementioned articles. --Jay D'Easy (talk) 00:34, 31 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep The topic is obviously notable – see Czechs and Germans 1848-2004.  If content has been moved to other related articles then we must keep this one for attribution – see WP:MAD.  The rest is then a matter of ordinary editing, not deletion, and AfD is not cleanup. Andrew D. (talk) 08:24, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I came across this proposal for deletion of an article I still find important because it encompasses more than the sum of those mentioned to justify its deletion. Franz Kafka is one of the greatest author in the German language literature, he is more than just 'a Jew from Czechoslovakia', his uncle Bruno Kafka - a German-speaking Jew converted to Christianism - was a political leader of several German parties in Czechoslovakia. A narrow 'racial', nazi-like, definition of Germans in Czechoslovakia as either Sudeten or Carpathian (and Zipser) would not take into account these two people, and many other intellectuals, scientists and politicians in interwar Czechoslovakia who were at various degrees Germans in a country where ethnic and national self-definition were not as static as some would like to. But I am no longer much involved in Wikipedia, I only sometimes revert obvious vandalism on articles in my follow list. So I won't further take part to this discussion. --Minorities observer (talk) 19:58, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:22, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:22, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:22, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Slovakia-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:22, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 13:55, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per Andrew Davidson. James500 (talk) 18:23, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep per aforementioned comments and nomination. Good points on both sides are made, but they lean in favor of keeping the article. The article would definitely be more notable if it spanned longer than the 20-year period in between German invasions of the area. Redditaddict69 (click here if I screwed up stuff again) (edits)   09:17, 14 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.