Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Germantown, Quincy, Massachusetts


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 03:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Germantown, Quincy, Massachusetts

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The article is, uh, garbage. Twofistedcoffeedrinker (talk) 14:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 *  Delete' . While the nomination could have been a bit more gentle - this article reads as if written by a child - there is nothing to salvage here. Real places generally are notable, but we all ready have an article on Quincy, Massachusetts, and there's nothing here to merge there. Xymmax' So let it be written   So let it be done  14:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've stricken my delete !vote as there is no comparison between this article and the one originally nominated. Obviously keep per WP:HEY. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  02:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - Afd is not cleanup, and articles shouldn't be deleted just for being badly written. However, there is no reason that I can see that this particular suburb needs its own article per Notability (Places and transportation). Any future information about the suburb can be added to Quincy, Massachusetts. -- Beloved Freak  15:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions.   --  Beloved  Freak  16:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: While I've written a couple neighborhood articles for Quincy, and no doubt will write more, it'll take some digging to come up with some sources for Germantown (for one thing, one of the very last clipper ships ever built was built there) and I've a bit on my plate right now. I can always recreate the article when I've enough to make a decent one.    RGTraynor  16:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, now. Heh, I'm happy that Polaron did the work I was too lazy to do today.  It's at least a usable stub now, and there's more that will be added.    RGTraynor  03:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Neighborhood articles for places with distinct neighborhoods are generally notable. A cursory web search shows several potential sources. The article just needs to be cleaned up to be more comprehensible and to conform to a neutral point of view. --Polaron | Talk 16:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NPT, Xymmax and Beloved Freak . JohnCD (talk) 17:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That is only a proposed guideline. And even then, the topic is notable according to that proposal because the topic is discussed in a few books and magazine articles, e.g. "A History of Old Braintree and Quincy" (W.S. Pattee). The current state of the article should not be the primary gauge of notability of a topic. --Polaron | Talk 17:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep this is a sufficiently distinctive neighborhood for an article, since there a sources. And if one actually believes the general notability criterion supersedes everything else, the presence of the sources would make this an automatic keep. ) If the article is inadequate, goimproveit. DGG (talk) 18:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Polaron has started cleaning it up. Seems like there's plenty to say about it. Zagalejo^^^ 18:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Zagalejo and DGG. Given that Quincy is an old and rather sprawling city which is strongly neighborhood-identified, it does make sense for individual neighborhoods to have their own pages (provided there are sources available, which in this case there are). Moving geographical and historical information on all ten-or-so neighborhoods to the Quincy article would likely make a mess. A sensible alternative might be the creation of Neighborhoods in Quincy, Massachusetts. --Fullobeans (talk) 20:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep in agreement with RGTraynor, Polaron, and Fullobeans. I'm all for an expanded Wikipedia presence for Quincy neighbourhoods based on the established history and size of the city and its constituent parts. The City of Quincy website has neighbourhood information, and one could find more relevant information online or in print to add easily enough. Aepoutre (talk) 20:25, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep agree w/ above rationale by, amongst others. Cirt (talk) 21:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep as the Germantown neighborhood has a distinct history, see above. Wikipedia material on the several neighborhoods of Quincy has been slowly gaining ground over the course of two years. I found the rather bizarre original entry earlier this morning and was preparing to clean it up when I was called away on an errand. Upon my return, much of the research I had already prepared had been added to the article. There are over twenty passages describing Germantown and its history in the Pattee history mentioned previously. I disagree with the idea of moving the various Quincy neighborhood articles to the main Quincy article and also disagree with the creation of an all encompassing "Neighborhoods of Quincy, MA" article. The neighborhoods are quite distinct when reference to them is found in histories of the American revolution. Along with  and, I have contributed to the various articles related to these neighborhoods. The AfD was added based on the original text, not on the article now advanced to its present content. Sswonk (talk) 21:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep It's a whole new article, and would not have raised eyebrows. Anyone who wants information on the subject can try a Google search for germantown quincy "patriot ledger"; there's plenty of published material there. Fg2 (talk) 03:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


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