Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geronimo dos Santos


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:05, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Geronimo dos Santos

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Mixed martial arts fighter with no top teir fights Peter Rehse (talk) 18:08, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Brazil-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete MMA fighter who definitely fails WP:NMMA.204.126.132.231 (talk) 19:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep — Fails WP:NMMA, but on a quick search (some sources were already available in the article) i've found significant coverage in Globo.com (Portuguese), MMAjunkie.com, MMAfighting.com, Sherdog.com, among others (he received coverage mainly by Brazilian media, where he was considered the number one heavyweight until signing with the UFC). In my opinion, this is sufficient to establish notability per WP:GNG.  Poison  Whiskey  20:57, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Several of the articles mention him not fighting in a previously scheduled match--routine coverage. The comment about being the #1 heavyweight in Brazil was a caption to a photo of the Max Fight promotion championship, which isn't even a second tier promotion.  As an aside, would you argue he's better than Brazilian heavyweights like Junior dos Santos, Fabricio Werdum, Antonio Silva, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, etc.?  The coverage all looks pretty routine to me. Papaursa (talk) 00:49, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course not. I meant heavyweights fighting in Brazilian promotions (however, there are no official rankings that i know). I disagree that Globo.com articles (there are several articles about him) are routine coverage. Those articles don't merely mention his results and/or scheduled fights, but also have details about his illness (hepatitis B) and recuperation. One of them even talks about his life. There are also SBNation.com, Sherdog.com and MMAjunkie.com for the diversity of sources.  Poison  Whiskey  01:52, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's an article from Globo.com (September 2012) which states that he is the number one heavyweight fighting in Brazil.  Poison  Whiskey  00:48, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm unimpressed by the source of the rankings--the International League of MMA. My google search on "International League of MMA" returned a grand total of 3 hits.  Also, this article repeats the same winning streak claim objected to by the IP further down. Papaursa (talk) 18:55, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Seems to be a Russian organization (according to a machine translator, the Russian name is "Международная Лига смешанных единоборств", and apparently has much more hits), however i'm totally clueless in Russian. The link above was only to reinforce my statement about him being widely recognized as the best heavyweight fighting in Brazil. But even if he wasn't, in my opinion he was able to get enough coverage in reliable sources to be presumed notable per WP:GNG. My thoughts about the reliability of the Globo sources have already been said below.  Poison  Whiskey  20:23, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete He has no top tier fights, so he fails WP:NMMA. Coverage is routine so it doesn't meet WP:GNG.  Winning the title of a minor promotion does not show notability. Papaursa (talk) 00:49, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - Gained notable coverage from his illness and contract complications with the UFC from both reputable Brazilian and U.S. media sources. Also is listed on the UFC's roster as an active fighter, so the potential for passing WP:NMMA is very real. Worst case scenerio, the content should be moved to someone's sandbox for if and when he gains three top-tier fights. Luchuslu (talk) 14:01, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem with moving the article to someone's sandbox until he passes WP:NMMA. Most coverage seems to be about him pulling out of his scheduled UFC fight because of hepatitis.  That seems more like WP:BLP1E.  I question the reliability of the Globo article since it says he won 19 straight fights by knockout (at least in my computer translation) and no other source shows a knockout streak longer than 6 in his record.204.126.132.231 (talk) 19:56, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It says "19 straight victories, with 19 knockouts" (I couldn't understand if this refers to the knockout victories of his entire career, but this is indeed a mistake). Sure, but this is a minor mistake in my opinion. I don't think that's enough to make the entire article or Globo articles unreliable, since it is one of the largest media groups of the world and the largest of Latin America. There are also articles about his last couple of fights in Brazil (Globo, R7), his fight against Barnett (SBNation, Sherdog) and his early life and career (Globo).  Poison  Whiskey  00:48, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:36, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Doesn't meet WP:NMMA and most other coverage concerns him pulling out of his UFC debut with hepatitis. That's BLP1E. It also doesn't seem right to gain notability as a fighter by not fighting.  If he gets his 3 top tier bouts than the article can be recreated.Mdtemp (talk) 17:18, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
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