Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gerrard crime family


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete both articles. Mailer Diablo 10:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Gerrard crime family
Looks like a hoax. Most hits off google from "Gerrard family" with Florida are genealogy sites. Fr a ncs2000 00:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Add Vittorio Gerrard to this discussion, since it's merely an off-shoot of the "family" article. --Calton | Talk 04:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment: I hope you get this message. I am writing a book about the subject. Because it is such a 'small' family and outside of New York and Chicago, it has not got the attention that perhaps it should. I found the subject rather interesting and so I created a page about it. The problem with uncovering information on this subject is that it is not 'notorious'. I have had a great struggle finding information on this, and other 'smaller scale' crime organizations. I hope you find the subject as interesting as I do! If you have any questions or any further information on this subject please send it my way! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Sarnatino (talk • contribs) 00:42, 11 May 2006, article's creator
 * So, how about some, you know, proof? --Calton | Talk 00:57, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you're using Wikipedia as a showcase for original research - that's not what it is. Robin Johnson 11:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per WP:NOR. Bill (who is cool!) 00:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as Complete bollocks. The creator is asking me to believe an entire "crime family", which he calls one of the most influential crime families involved in organized crime in Florida has somehow managed to avoid any attention whatsoever from gangland writers and websites -- including Crime Library? And how did they manage to become one of the most influential crime families involved in organized crime in Florida and not "notorious"? Pull the other one. --Calton | Talk 00:57, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: You would, indeed, be correct on my overstatement in the first sentence. As I have just made the page I have yet to edit it thoroughly and I thank you for pointing that out to me.  I guess they are not as influential as they are interesting.  I would, of course, be obliged to change the wording of the introduction.  Did you read the whole page or just the first bit?  I get the impression you just assumed it was a hoax without coming into it with an open mind, as you state: 'pull the other one'.  If you would like to improve the page or discuss the topic then that’s great!  If you only care to make comments you find ‘clever’ to insult... why I am lost for words.  I find that very unprofessional.


 * Thanks


 * Greg Sarnatino — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg Sarnatino (talk • contribs)  01:01, 11 May 2006, article's creator


 * I find that very unprofessional So is making claims which you admit to be overblown (I guess they are not as influential as they are interesting) -- which assumes, of course, that the rest isn't complete nonsense. Now that would be "very unprofessional". --Calton | Talk 01:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * seems like a mangling of plot elements from The Godfather, The Sopranos, Goodfellas and who knows what else, along with some direct real world stuff (like the Purple Gang). Perhaps an amusing plot for a gangster B-movie but unless a reliable source can be produced confirming this stuff is more than just someone's imagination, delete as a hoax. With outrageous claims, we can't really be expected to just take your word for it. We assume good faith, but it only goes so far. --W.marsh 01:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the "northern New Jersey" reference just screamed Sopranos. --Calton | Talk 01:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as a hoax. Not one name from the article turned up a relevant Google hit. Kevin 01:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete not one verifiable reference. Pull the other one. Tyrenius 02:01, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete until Mr. Sarnatino publishes his book, when we can give it another look. Until then it is unverified original research.  Bucketsofg✐ 02:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as above. And if the source is as reliable as Michael Pelligrino, it may end up as an article about a hoax - Skysmith 09:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete If the book gets published, the article can be recreated. --Tango 14:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, hoax. --Ter e nce Ong 15:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOR. Do I have to go on a witness relocation programme now? Robin Johnson 11:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete hoax. Google searches:  "organized crime families" florida Gerrard (zero hits), "organized crime family" florida Gerrard (three irrelevant hits), "organized crime" florida "Gerrard family" (zero hits).  ergot 14:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Take into a dark alley and shoot in the back of the head.... err... delete as unverifiable. Fagstein 19:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Unverifiable original research. ~Kylu ( u | t )  03:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.