Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ghislain Barbe


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. Mailer Diablo 04:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Ghislain Barbe
A contested speedy CSD A7 candidate, this article about an illustrator doesn't seem to make him particularly notable. Other than "creating" Carmen Sandiego (no hint of verification) this guy hasn't done much that is special. Harr o 5 03:29, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. ( A rundhati Bakshi (talk • contribs))`
 * Comment I don't know how notable he is or not, but you could at least google him. Google gets >500 hits on his name in quotes and the first hit is his own page with a CV and list of works.  apparently he was the lead artist on Heavy Gear and a bunch of video games.  Not sure if that makes him notable, but at least there's some verification. The carmen sandiego thing seems to be one of his (recent) video games. Night Gyr 04:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Seems like a notable behind-the-scenes figure in the industry. Not a celebrity, but a guy whose work has been seen by many people. Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. 13:08, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable commercial artist/animator/designer whose published work would undeniably meet notability requirements if it were prose. Monicasdude 14:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep This guy is surely no Elvis, but his profile fits minimal notability requirement, on that basis alone, I dont see why he should be dismissed. The RPG world is an important subculture with a lot of following. You cant get more mainstream than videogames and TV in which he also worked. I agree with Bobby P. Smith Sr. Jr. that he remains a behind-the-scenes figure but there can be some interest in knowing things like who designed the cat Sagwa or that-or-that second stringer popculture character. Night Gyr said his name had 500 hits on Google (I tried too and got 511). Heavy Gear alone has 652 000 hits, that gives still a lot of people potentially interested in some of this article's infos. As seen on Dream Pod 9's site (Heavy Gear's publisher), although the state of the RPG industry, they are still releasing new miniatures based the Heavy Gear mechas, so I guess there is still an active fandom. As for the verifiabilty of his working on Carmen Sandiego, in his portfolio (http://www.qosmiq.com/cdiadrone/ghis/), we can see a version of the Carmen Sandiego and the secret of the Stolen Drums cover without any company logos, titles and such of the cover. I dont know how deep we must go into verifiabilty, but, in all good faith, it seems genuine: http://www.qosmiq.com/cdiadrone/ghis/pfolio/comix/pages/01cover.htm Also the list of pulbications on which he worked on is quite long: http://www.qosmiq.com/cdiadrone/ghis/pfolio/pube.htm These have to be seen by a good number of peoples.
 * Some explanations: I am the author of the Ghislain Barbe and relatively new to Wikipedia. Therefore, I aknowledge not being the best person to judge of its pertinence. It seems to be causing quite a debate and I do apologize for this, as this was clearly not my intent. Before writing this article, as I noted in the Discussion section of the article, I checked some guidelines and the artist seemed to meet the requirements for living people as defined in Wikipedia, : Notability (for people) in the "People still alive" section, states: Published authors, editors, and photographers who have written books with an audience of 5,000 or more or in periodicals with a circulation of 5,000 or more. I take it that artists are authors, as otherwise, no comicbook artist, and basically not commercial artist whatsoever would find its place in the Wikipedia. The same should apply to toy designers, animators and other similar behind-the-scene people. As Barbe has illustrated around a hundred published books and collaborated to several mainstream electronic media contents, either television or videogames, and that there is a reasonnable fandom for Heavy Gear and other franchises he worked on I do think the article is justified. Of course,take this entry here only as a justification of me writing this article. It would be, well, biased, to want to vote on the matter. Cosmicdiadrone 19:21, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Notable games industry figure. --Fuzzie (talk) 19:31, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Hardly famous, but someone whose body of work meets notability requirements. ProhibitOnions 20:44, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable enough --Masssiveego 08:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems notable. Nigelthefish 17:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Ghislain Barbe indeed has a great body of work and is a known name in the RPG illustration field. This warrants inclusion in Wikipedia. The article should stay.Vulture99 17:17, 20 March 2006 (ETC)
 * Keep I say we keep him. He actually is famous, but only in his industry. Jovian Chronicles is a very popular game, and as for the 5000 rule, theres at least a hundred thousand Jovian Chronicles players in the world. Diablo-D3 20:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


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