Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ghorban Tourani


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The result of the debate was KEEP. &mdash; J I P  | Talk 15:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Ghorban Tourani
Recently-ish killed Christian minister in Iran. I speedied this originally as there was no assertion of notability - now there is (questionable) notability asserted per some media attention. Google pulls 47 hits, just 2 with quotes for Ghorban Tourani - Ghorban Tori pulls more. But with due respect, every murder victim is not inherrently notable - while this case may be slightly different, I do not believe it is enough. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 10:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Not delete 1) Notability - Google actually scores for "Ghorban Tori" 633 hits, a search including his middle name "Ghorban Dordi Tourani" further 35 (for "Ghorban Tourani" alone admittedly only 2 dt a initially publicised misspelling) 2) International importance - The current regime in Iran has a history of persecuting the Christian minorities, but had ceased being very aggressive about it after a murder wave in the mid nineties. This has been now under the new president rapidly worsened. His murder happened to co-incide with a new attempt by the EU to engage Iran on Human Rights, was widely reported and led to diplomatic protests. 3) Importance for Iranian/Middle Eastern Church - huge. The first Turkmen martyr amongst other things. In summary: the man is notable and important enough to warrant an entry unless Wikipedia wants to be centred on what and who is important in the West. Refdoc 10:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Further comment: The google count is still rising (now at 677 for "Ghorban Tori" and 41 for "Ghorban Dordi Tourani".Refdoc 07:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yet more comment: The google count for "Ghorban Tori" is today 12.700. Do not tell me that this is not the result of some notability. Refdoc 22:27, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Further comment: There is something like systematic bias operating here - a Iranian internal news is going to be of little newsworthiness outside and subsequently not easily found in search engines like Google. Christians in Iran are ignored/persecuted minority - furtther pushing such news down the list of priorities. In view of these two points I would think that any internal Iranian news which "made google news" - even if limited - is notable by definition. Further - it made secular news papers like the Swedish Dagen. Refdoc 16:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Relisting due to insufficient votes. - Mailer Diablo 13:34, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  14:13, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Christian martyr. Metarhyme 17:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep notable. -- MisterHand 17:15, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep notable enough for me Jcuk 18:18, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Google News has only 6 news reports, all in Christian news outlets. Doesn't seem to have attracted the attention of any MSM publication.  howch e  ng   {chat} 18:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Merge into Christians in Iran - not notable by himself, but the chain of events that led to his death is notable in the context of governmental persecution of non-Islamic people. B.Wind 19:02, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep notable.  Grue   21:14, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep notable obviously - not sure whether I need to relist my vote, but it stays unchanged Refdoc 09:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


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