Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ghosts In the Black


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Firefly Role-Playing Game. The only real consensus here is that this should not exist as a stand-alone article. Giving the nod to merge instead of delete per WP:ATD -- RoySmith (talk) 01:31, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Ghosts In the Black

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Article is about Video game released by company based in Wisconsin. Prod was removed without giving any reason. Google search shows that this Video game fails WP:GNG.  Human 3015   TALK   21:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
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 * Comment Hey I've put a lot of work into this article and just by comparison is contains much more information and supporting references than a lot of other similar articles for 2015 game products. If the consensus is that this article really needs to be deleted, I'd be open to merging it into the article about the main game.Godfred99 (talk) 21:38, 29 October 2015 (UTC)Godfred99
 * Comment I've added a number of references, some of which are internal references but I have also added others which should suffice for a new article being expanded. I do hope you will consider that this is a new article which was just added yesterday, that it was flagged for deletion before I had even really begun working on it, and that the person who said it wasn't relevant didn't even know which category the article belonged to ("Ghosts in the Black" and "Firefly" are not video games).  Given this product line's strong sales and the huge status that this title's author and publisher have within the gaming community, "Ghosts In the Black" is likely to be nominated for a number of industry awards this year.  I do hope that whoever the decision-maker is when it comes to this proposed deletion is more familiar with the gaming industry and community and will be better able to judge the relevance of this product.  I also hope they'll consider the fact that this deletion proposal was made almost immediately after it was created and that it's still being worked on.  Godfred99 (talk)Godfred99  —Preceding undated comment added 22:15, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment This article is indeed about a pen-and-paper role-playing game but I dispute the comment below that it is non-notable. The Firefly Role-Playing Game is separate and distinct from the Serenity Role Playing Game, was a top-selling role-playing game in 2014 and 2015, and has been nominated for a slew of industry awards in the year since its release.  The author of this particular supplement is himself a bestselling award-winning author within the gaming community.  I'm working on expanding this stub-- there was no need to nominate it for deletion almost immediately after I created it and I'd suggest familiarizing yourself with the subject matter before making snap judgments about how noteworthy the subject is. Godfred99 (talk) 22:04, 26 October 2015 (UTC)Godfred99
 * You have to provide independent reliable sources. Yes, I should have not nominated it so early, thats why I proded it but you removed prod without adding any sources, I have nominated it for AfD only after searching for sources and I have not found any source. You can provide sources for your claims.-- Human 3015   TALK   22:11, 26 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Actually, I believe this is a supplement to a pen-and-paper role-playing game. Still non-notable, though. It seems to be a spin-off of Serenity Role Playing Game. clpo13(talk) 21:45, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Zero hits in the video game project's custom reliable source Google search. Normal Google only finds a handful of links, including a primary source product announcement and a few store results. No reviews or other reliable sources. Minor note: The article was PROD'd, not CSD'd, prior to AFD. I suspect CSD A7 would apply. -- ferret (talk) 21:51, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the producing company with no prejudice against a deletion prior, per Ferret. --Izno (talk) 22:04, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - this article is NOT about a video game, just to be clear. 65.126.152.254 (talk) 22:30, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:23, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * merge to the Firefly RPG. Doesn't appear to clear WP:N but no reason to delete given reasonable merge target. Hobit (talk) 05:47, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:46, 2 November 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 06:37, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge to Firefly Role-Playing Game. It looks to be a bit too soon for this article.  There's isn't even a review at RPG.net yet.  Let's give it some time and see if it gets any reviews.  We can always restore the article once it's got better evidence of notability. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 09:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.