Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ghosts in Tibetan culture


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  21:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Ghosts in Tibetan culture
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 * Delete - Merge to Preta. Atleast 3 articles, probably more, cover the same material. See Ghost, Preta and Gyalpo. This article is poorly sourced as well.VictoriaGraysonTalk 23:31, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Also Hungry ghost. Nevertheless, "Ghosts in Tibetan culture" might be used as an umbrella-article, which directs to the various articles.  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   04:35, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Paranormal-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 12:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Buddhism-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 12:40, 14 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep These are not 4 articles covering the same material, as for example United States Investigations Services and USIS (company) were before the merge. Instead they are 4 articles covering different aspects of a topic, like World War II, Air warfare of World War II, and Pacific War are 3 articles all covering different aspects of WWII.  Ghost talks about ghosts generally, describing the concept of a ghost both in history and modern times in many different cultures throughout the world.  Ghosts in Tibetan culture, the particular article you're wanting to delete, goes (or should - I admit it needs work) into more detail about the specific concepts and superstitions that are unique to the Tibetan concept of ghosts. Preta and Gyalpo spirits are different types of ghosts in Tibetan mythology, just as Lion and Tiger are different types of cat - yet you wouldn't think we should roll them all into Felidae. Each article addresses a unique topic, although there is naturally some overlap. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 13:52, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Gyalpos are a subcategory of pretas. Maybe you can reconsider your vote.VictoriaGraysonTalk 14:09, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * From the respective articles: "gyalpo spirits . . . are 'the spirits of evil kings or of high lamas who have failed their vows.'". "Pretas are believed to have been false, corrupted, compulsive, deceitful, jealous or greedy people in a previous life." It doesn't seem to be 2 words for the same thing; although I can see how they would be a subcategory of Pretas.  To go back to the cat analogy; lions, tigers, and domestic cats are all subtypes of Felines, but within Tiger you have Siberian tiger, Bengal tiger, and several other tiger subspecies.  My point stands. ~  ONUnicorn (Talk&#124;Contribs) problem solving 14:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * But Pretas, Hungry ghosts and Ghosts in Tibetan culture are all the same thing and the same categorical level. It would be like having 3 Felidae articles.VictoriaGraysonTalk 01:12, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: With arguments for deletion, keeping and merger, currently shows no consensus. Giving more time for the discussion to proceed. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:38, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge to Preta. Not notable separate from ghost/preta. Ogress smash! 02:43, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:38, 21 July 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: As there have been no further discussion since the relist, one more might be useful...  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 16:19, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 16:19, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


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