Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ghoultown


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. This discussion has been relisted 3 times and I still see no consensus. Maybe, after a suitable period of time, a second AFD could be held to break the logjam between those advocating Keep and those who believe the page should become a Redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 03:33, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Ghoultown

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Not covered by reliable sources. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 11:47, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Texas. Shellwood (talk) 12:05, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:50, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Jdcooper (talk) 14:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as well as the AllMusic staff written bio and Dread Central album review already in the article there is also this and this. Overall there is enough coverage for a close pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:14, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per user above me --FMSky (talk) 04:25, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:07, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I also found this Garuda3 (talk) 22:32, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep A lot of evidence of notability per Google search.Puvasoca (talk) 12:29, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to consider Redirect option which wasn't previously mentioned in this discussion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect. This is extremely weak coverage and wholly not enough to be "kept". AllMusic should only be used for reviews. Blabbermouth is questionable as a source per WP:RSN discussions but even in this case, it's a reposted interview (primary source). The Fort Worth Weekly is a local alt weekly, not proving wider notability. Dread Central has no hallmarks of a reliable source and Auxillary is a passing mention. Doesn't look good. Redirect to Lyle Blackburn as the group's independently notable founder to preserve what can be preserved, but the coverage of the band itself is clearly lacking. czar  17:23, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Blabbermouth is considered reliable per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Sources though --FMSky (talk) 18:03, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Source designations are not incontrovertible. That list says Blabbermouth was last discussed in 2013—nearly a decade ago. There have been more recent discussions at WP:RSN. In the case of this specific article, it is clearly quoting an outside interview at length. That doesn't make the primary source any less of a primary source unless a journalist is reliably adding analysis atop it. We wouldn't cite an interview from any source as indicative of a subject's notability as what matters is the secondary source's analytic consideration of what makes the topic noteworthy. czar  19:35, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to Lyle Blackburn because the subject does not pass WP:N. The AllMusic biography is pretty short and the RSN discussion noted by Czar suggests the source does not contribute to notability. I thought I'd also mention that I don't quite see how it was determined that Tom Demalon is a staff writer. I don't see a page listing the staff of the website and when I search the person's name I get a biography for him, which refers to Demalon as a musical artist with music credits and briefly mentions that he has written for MTV. The Dread Central source is written by "Mr. Dark", which seems less reliable than a source written by a WP:CONTRIBUTOR considering we don't even know the author's name. Saying that a subject has notability per Google is an example of the argument to avoid WP:GHITS. The Blabbermouth source is an WP:INTERVIEW and the Fort Worth Weekly source is both a local alt weekly as well as largely being made up of quoted/interview material. The Auxillary source is clearly a WP:TRIVIALMENTION. The Missoula Independent source found by Garuda3 appears to be the best source available, but I would expect to see a couple more sources of similar quality to demonstrate notability. TipsyElephant (talk) 13:30, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment As per WikiProject Albums/Sources AllMusic staff written biographies are reliable sources and used in thousands of articles including featured articles, the RSN discussion linked shows that many comments support it's reliability with some dissensions and there is no consensus that only reviews can be used. Dread Central is a reliable source as per WikiProject Film/Resources and used in thousands of articles so the dismissal of these sources is against established consensus  imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The linked, recent RSN discussion consensus supersedes the music WikiProject's decade-old list. czar  05:30, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't think a redirect would benefit our readers. Having two discographies on one page would confuse matters. There is ample content here for an individual article. Garuda3 (talk) 22:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand what the issue is here with a redirect. Lyle_Blackburn already includes the Ghoultown discography, and redirects are commonly used on Wikipedia so I'm not sure why it would cause any confusion. TipsyElephant (talk) 11:22, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Lyle Blackburn. Doesn't pass GNG. I didn't find anything on the internet. `~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 07:34, 17 December 2022 (UTC)


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