Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gibril Haddad


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The result was   delete. After reconsideration j⚛e deckertalk 00:30, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Gibril Haddad

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This was a tough one, but upon investigation and periodic searching for one year, the subject appears to fall below the relevant notability guidelines. There is a large volume of material written about him on blogs and discussion forums, as well as in self-published books lacking editorial oversight and Wikipedia mirrors. None of these are reliable sources. There is a literal handful of reliable sources citing web articles the subject has written. The subject was ranked as one of the 500 most influential Muslims in the world with a small blurb written about him, though the majority of the people in that list don't seem to pass WP:GNG either and I wouldn't argue that alone as a sufficient notability threshhold. The subject also fails both criteria for WP:ANYBIO and all nine for WP:NACADEMICS. There are no guidelines for notability which the subject seems to pass. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:09, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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 * My findings concur with those of the nom, my conclusion however is that based on the extent of the discussion of his works, the citations of his works, and his apparent influence I am going to invoke IAR and recommend Keep. If someone can investigate the citation numbers that would be helpful. I also wonder about sources in other languages (Indonesian)? Also, David Livingstone writes of him in Black Terror White Soldiers: Islam, Fascism and the New Age: "Such devotion to Ibn Arabi can be found in other important Sufis like Dr. Gibril Haddad and Muhammad Said Ramadan al-Bouti. Haddad..." Unfortunately the page is missing from Google Books. Candleabracadabra (talk) 15:18, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
 * David Livingston's book is published by CreateSpace ie. self-published. -- Green  C  03:24, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Green Cardamom, would you describe yourself as leaning either way on this one? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:54, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * He has a better entry at the WikiIslam (unaffiliated with Mediawiki), that's probably a good place for him since so many sources run afoul of our reliable source rule. I understand Candleabracadabra's position. I don't mind going with Delete to reduce the need for a IAR situation, with the knowledge there is development at WikiIslam so nothing is really lost. If someone wants to create a better entry in the future with reliable source they always can. BTW citation numbers are here. -- Green  C  04:31, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Struck !vote above of blocked sock puppet, per WP:SOCKHELP. NorthAmerica1000 07:01, 31 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr  \ talk / 07:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e deckertalk 16:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


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