Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gil-Sung Park


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The result was   no consensus. Shimeru (talk) 19:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Gil-Sung Park

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WP:Academic Albrechtbrown (talk) 20:25, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Uncertain'   academic position as full professor at a major university, sourced by his web site, a RS for the purpose.  GS results, are low but perhaps respectable for someone who publishes on Korean topics.  DGG ( talk ) 20:56, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Even if all those 'citation needed' tags get replaced by references, to me he just looks like someone doing his job without anythhing particularly special. Without the needed references, possibly a candidate for speedy. Peridon (talk) 22:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  —David Eppstein (talk) 07:13, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep Weak, due to lack of English-language sources, and peculiarly low citation counts on Gscholar. However, His CV (Google Translated link) lists him as editor-in-chief of a journal translated as "sociology of Korea", and as editors on several other journals. Given that some of his publications listed on his webpage aren't even on Gscholar, I incline towards keeping. Ray  Talk 15:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
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 * Keep - Full professor at leading University with many publications and editorship of a new peer reviewed journal with loads of "big names" associated with it - Global Policy this is now cited. (Msrasnw (talk) 23:05, 4 April 2010 (UTC))
 * Peridon (below) is quite right, I should have described  Global Policy as: new peer reviewed journal with loads of "big names" associated with it (instead of noted) - this is now cited. (Msrasnw (talk) 22:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC))
 * Comment -
 * Full Professor in Korea's No 2 Uni. Korea University
 * Director of Institute of Social Research at Korea University
 * Former Chief Editor of National Professional Body's main journal in his field Korean Journal of Sociology - This journal is well established (since 1964) and abstracted and indexed by CSA Illumina's Sociological Abstracts as a "core" journal. "The person is or has been an editor-in-chief of a major well-established journal in their subject area."
 * Editorial Board of new journal from LSE Global Policy- which has on its Boards Mary Kaldor, Nicholas Stern, Robert Keohane, Dani Rodrik, Jeffrey Sachs, Joseph Stiglitz, Pascal Lamy, Javier Solana, Kemal Dervis, Will Hutton, Romano Prodi, George Soros, Muhammad Yunus
 * Editorial Board of International Journal of Comparative Sociology and was Guest Editor for a special edition of it
 * Long list of publications/articles (but most not covered by English language based citation indices)
 * Textbook: Park, Gil-Sung (2007). Economic Sociology. Hawaii University Press (Korea). ISBN 9788930082068


 * Comment Does a journal get notability when it's on Vol 1 No 1? This is the current issue of Global Policy shown on its website. And "4th GPPN Conference & Global Policy journal launch London, 22 March 2010" - quoted from http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/GPPN/ I can't access the 'About' or 'Editorial Statement' sections as they require something not installed on this computer - and I am not getting the plug-in to read them when I don't know what that plug-in is. Peridon (talk) 11:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete I can't find any facts that help to pass WP:PROF. Being a full professor doesn't pass, "The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or "Distinguished Professor" appointment at a major institution of higher education and research."  Being on the editorial board of a brand new journal doesn't pass, "The person is or has been an editor-in-chief of a major well-established journal in their subject area."  The only potential qualification I see is the editor in chief position of "Sociology in Korea" - but I can't find any evidence that that journal is a "major well-established journal."  In terms of citations to help pass "The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources." I checked ISI Highly Cited  and he is not listed, and according to DGG's check of Google Scholar not enough cites there either.  So overall it appears he just isn't notable enough yet for a listing.  ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 15:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ISI highly cited list is a much higher standard than we normally use here. The intention of the list is to designate those people as famus or almost-famous, and notability in all fields is less than famous. I agree, though that anyone on that list qualifies for an article


 * Comment - The Korean Journal of Sociology's categorization as a "core" journal by CSA does not establish notability. The criteria listed at the cited website state that, "Core journals are published by sociological associations, groups, faculties, and institutions, and/or have the term "sociology" in their titles."  So the list includes ANY journal that puts the word "Sociology" into the title.  That is not notable. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 14:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I was asked to comment again. The question basically is whether we should use national or international standards for WP:PROF. I think the usual approach is that notability as a researcher is international & must be judged on a world-wide basis. Myself,  I think we should modify just a little  in many cases for researchers from the less scientifically developed countries. The progress of science is significant , but the growth of science in a country is significant also.  In terms of importance as an academic administrator  and such, or as a teacher,  then the standards are national, because the overall academic profession is  organized nationally with national standards. The key point here would be in what way to regard the journal.  Korean Journal of Sociology is   a relatively minor journal on an international scale. It is not in Journal citation Reports list of 100 sociology journals.  It is notable enough for WP, as   the major journal in a field in a country might be.  DGG ( talk ) 17:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
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