Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Giles Downes


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The result was   merge to 1992 Windsor Castle fire. Spartaz Humbug! 13:20, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Giles Downes

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Article purports to be about an architect, but actually is entirely about the restoration and redesign of Windsor Castle after its major fire in 1992. There's no evidence of biographical info about Downes and scant proof that any exists in published form. Downes was the project architect on behalf of the firm that won the job. I'd suggest that most of this is good material to merge into 1992 Windsor Castle fire, but Giles Downes fails WP:GNG. Sionk (talk) 01:43, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions.  Jinkinson   talk to me  02:15, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 09:39, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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 * I think it's a fine balance on this one. WP:CREATIVE gives the guidance that notability for a creative professional includes that "the person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews" or that "the person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums." On that basis, I'd suggest that Downes certainly is notable - respected academics like Anthony Emery, Nigel Jones, John Robertson have written on his role in the rebuilding of Windsor Castle, which is certainly a significant monument, and a Google search on "giles downes" & "windsor castle" gives around 1,630 hits, so there's some basis of notability for that on the more popular side of life. He's also had a work published by the Royal Institute of British Architects, and been the Master of the Worshipful Company of Carpenters, one of the Livery Companies in the City of London.


 * On the other hand, as you note, his personal life isn't extensively covered that I can find. I'd probably vote in favour of keep, but it's a close call in my mind. Hchc2009 (talk) 14:07, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 20:30, 15 October 2014 (UTC)




 * Some coverage in The Independent and Philidelphia Inquirer. I also note he was a Master of the Worshipful Company of Carpenters (as well as a Senior Warden as already listed) per this and if the link is to believed, has won quite a few awards and has a CVO for his architectural work. JTdale   Talk 23:31, 15 October 2014 (UTC) < Found a reference on his CVO here.  JTdale   Talk 23:39, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Biblio worm  01:18, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge into Windsor Castle. There's not a lot of info on what happened after the fire, and it appears that this is the only project he has done - a large one - which acquired significant coverage. The project is notable, and his work on it made it notable, but as he hasn't done anything else of significance according to searches, he fails WP:GNG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdventurousMe (talk • contribs) 13:41, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
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