Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Giorgio A. Tsoukalos (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 21:35, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Giorgio A. Tsoukalos
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This is the "aliens guy". The cited sources are a PR bio and a duplicate reference to a single article in his school's magazine. Seriously, this fails WP:GNG by quite a margin. I think a redirect to Ancient Aliens is the best that can be justified here. Guy (Help!) 01:25, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete His ideas are very much fringe, and the coverage he has received is not enough to establish notability in that case.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:19, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Could become a better article if users were to find out about more of his talks and theories. 86.45.250.131 (talk) 01:50, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * We don't keep biographies because they could, if osme theoretical sources were found, become legitimately sourced. Please provide reliable indepdnent sources if you have them. Guy (Help!) 16:33, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Aliens.  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect as it stands - I was slightly surprised not to find anything that wasn't Ancient Aliens. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but it would need the good sources it doesn't have. I would redirect as he's actually famous, so people might look him up - typically several hundred to a few thousand hits a day - but that's the only thing he appears to be famous for - David Gerard (talk) 20:19, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - good work, Mr. Magoo - David Gerard (talk) 14:21, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I was a bit shocked to see this, being familiar with (and, admittedly, enamored of) his pioneering work in the field of stupid internet memes. But upon searching for sources about the guy, I find bupkiss that isn't there already. So while he is the host of an unintentionally hilarious television show, and while he did inexplicably appear in some talking head roles in earlier, equally unintentionally hilarious television shows, I think I'm going to have to suggest that we Redirect this to Ancient Aliens. Note that I'm not suggesting that the editors who created and edited this page are aliens. But they were. Because aliens. MjolnirPants   Tell me all about it.  16:56, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment He does have some coverage, but it's mostly just related to mainly Ancient Aliens and him only named as a host of it. Yet he does have a lot of fringe coverage. I remember there being some rule about fringe coverage, so I'm quite unsure about this case. As a bit of an archivist, I'd prefer to keep his work record as it's harder to find elsewhere so neatly put. Mr. Magoo (talk) 14:39, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Sam Sailor 22:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep I were able to find coverage when I omitted the "A." and just searched for Giorgio Tsoukalos. Mr. Magoo (talk) 10:53, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Added a large number of citations. Mr. Magoo (talk) 11:18, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Also cleaned up the article quite a bit. Mr. Magoo (talk) 13:00, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I also now just noticed he actually had a notable career before Ancient Aliens as the runner of a San Francisco bodybuilding competition. Mr. Magoo (talk) 14:05, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I am changing my vote to Keep. Right now, that article is ridiculously oversourced, and while the reliability of many of those sources in general is highly questionable, their use for this article is, I think, perfectly fine. seems to have done a wonderful job here. Also, his reddit AMA is pretty funny. That's has nothing to do with why I changed my vote (it was aliens), just something I thought I'd share. Aliens.  MjolnirPants   Tell me all about it.  14:29, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I am also intrigued by the seemingly short-lived bodybuilding San Francisco Pro Grand Prix. The final year seems to have been in 2006. I found this other San Francisco competition with same final year: San Francisco Pro Invitational. I compared the winners with our Grand Prix and they're the same. Lee Priest is reported by numerous sources to have won the Grand Prix in 2002, but the only San Fran win his page says is San Fran Pro Invitational. Mr. Magoo (talk) 15:33, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to pass GNG. Jarkeld (talk) 14:53, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep with the current references (considering the general lack of good sources), it seems alright to me. --Jonas kork (talk) 13:27, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Archaeology-related deletion discussions. Joe Roe (talk) 11:56, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


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