Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Giovanni Aloi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is split, however, this is a BLP without any sources, which is unacceptable for more than a short period of time and this article has been around over 15 years. Given there is no consensus to keep, and no independent coverage, I'm forced to default to delete. Dennis Brown - 2&cent; 10:31, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Giovanni Aloi

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Article doesn't give any reliable sources for notability  Asartea  Talk  undefined  Contribs  11:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Tentative keep - Appears to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. A Spanish speaking editor may be able to find sources. If no sources can be found in any language then deletion may make more sense. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 11:48, 31 March 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - I was unable to find anything about this driver but my search was hindered by a few (well, at least two, its hard to say) other people by this name who are borderline notable. That said he definitely seems to meet the spirit (and even the letter) of WP:NMOTORSPORT, so I am not giving an opinion either way. A7V2 (talk) 00:15, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * A web search shows that there aren't any reliable sources in English accessible online, but forum posts do mention articles in magazines from the early 1990s covering Aloi (mostly Autosport). It may be worth checking whether or not the Aloi covered in this article is actually the same person as some of the other apparent Aloi's who appear in sources. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 00:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It appears I was a bit off with my initial assessment: certainly there is at least one other notable person by this name, so much so they have an article, Giovanni Aloi (art historian) (oddly not hatnoted from Giovanni Aloi, I will add this shortly). It would appear that if we keep this article, the art historian is the primary topic (failing that, there is no primary topic) so I'd say a move or two would be in order. As for the Aloi in question, I wasn't able to find any articles about him in the archives of motorsport magazine (through a search) but I did find a very short article on old racing cars. A7V2 (talk) 06:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The art historian does seem to play a large part in why searching for this Aloi is so difficult. I would agree that the art historian is probably the primary topic for this article title. This Aloi is strange in that he seems to have competed in what was essentially the top-tier of single-seater racing (if we consider F1 to be a global rather than European series) and then vanished without leaving much of a trace on the Anglophone internet beyond stat database entries and forum posts. I don't know if it's possible to find the assistance of a user in Mexico who may be able to help find sources, and unfortunately during the pandemic finding such sources in libraries may be significantly harder. If anybody has back issues of Autosport from the early 1990s or those years' editions of Autocourse that may also provide something. If nothing came from that I would lean towards deleting the article as it's a largely unsourced WP:BLP. For what it's worth various reliable sources do at the very least establish that he existed, and the various forum posts where people referenced older sources which aren't available online about Aloi suggest that none of this article's contents are a hoax. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 00:52, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 04:03, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. MOTORSPORT is under the umbrella of NSPORT, which ultimately requires GNG sourcing on a subject. Since it doesn't appear there is any SIGCOV accessible at the moment, I would agree that BLP should shift the balance toward deletion until such time sources are found. JoelleJay (talk) 21:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Moving the page's contents to "Giovanni Aloi (racing driver)" and then making that a redirect to List of International Formula 3000 drivers may be the most appropriate thing to do if sources don't surface. Reliable sources like Forix show that at absolute minimum this driver was a real person who competed in the series. If it's possible for the redirect to keep the page history in the event that sources do surface that could be useful. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:55, 24 April 2021 (UTC)HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 12:01, 24 April 2021 (UTC)


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