Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gladesville Hornsby Football Association Spirit FC


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge with Northern Spirit FC. There is clearly no consensus for an outright deletion, but there have been several who have argued for merging and redirecting. I have looked at the comments and sources, and see that a reasonable case can be made that Glades Hornsby is in some ways a successor to the disbanded Northern Spirit FC, and that the proposals to merge has sufficient merit to do that. Sjakkalle (Check!)  18:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Gladesville Hornsby Football Association Spirit FC

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Amateur football club, with no evidence of playing for any significant league. Was tagged for A7 - correctly in my view - but the article creator strongly disputes this and is claiming notability. Since it won't hurt to wait a week, I thought a proper AfD discussion would be best. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  08:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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 * Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 14:09, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment – There is some ambiguity/possibility that this club is in fact a renaming of Northern Spirit FC (as can be seen here or here and given the two clubs' similarity in name and geography). Sources/a detailed history which confirms/denies this are hard to come by. Depending on the conclusion it may be appropriate to merge the two articles (given that Northern Spirit satisfies notability guidelines). Northern Spirit, however, is widely regarded as having disbanded (as seen here) but nonetheless a relevant consideration. Macosal (talk) 09:29, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * As the author of the article, I do agree that there is very little information available about this particular club. The reason why I created this page, is due two-fold: Firstly, the team qualified for the Fourth Round of NSW's 2014 FFA Cup qualifiers. I feel that many, if not all of the teams entering into this competition deserve their own page. This team plays in the 3rd tier of Australian football. There are roughly 100 teams in the 10th tier of the English pyramid that have their own Wikipedia article, many of whom entered into the preliminary rounds of the FA Cup. Are they truly worthy of being counted as notable? The second reason I created this article is that teams such as this, I feel should link to larger articles with more information about them, such as this.The National Premier Leagues system was created in 2013 and serves as a nationwide second league for Australia (and within itself, containing the 2nd through 5th divisions of Australian football). Quite a few of the teams playing in this league played in the national comp as late as 2004, before the formation of the A-League... Even an ex-A-League team competes under this banner. As for GHFA Spirit FC redirecting to Northern Spirit FC, I'd have no problem with that, provided we can find the evidence to back this up. This Wikipedia article states that the Northern Spirit played there and now the ground is owned by GHFA. J man708 (talk) 12:41, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep – Have looked around for info on the club's history (hard to come by). As best I can tell, GHFA had a number of youth teams which were the youth system of Northern Spirit FC. When Northern Spirit (the senior club) ceased to exist, the GHFA formed Spirit FC with the same youth teams and a new senior team through a merger with another club in order to keep a senior team in operation.
 * Hard to know what to do here/make of this as a result. The most reliable source which confirms this (in passing) is an article from the club's official website quoted here ("In 2005, pressed into linking with a senior group, Gladesville Spirit United was formed"). Interesting also that some sources clearly view the two clubs as a single entity (such as here). The name itself also clearly indicates some degree of continuity. As a result, I'd suggest 'keep, as a club which is the product of a merger involving a notable club. Macosal (talk) 01:32, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Have now managed to find some more reliable sources on the subject. This one describes the change as a "name change". This one shows the initial formation of Spirit FC, and mentions that the club will need seniors in order to play in future seasons (which it would seem subsequently led to the merger). As a result of both of these I would reaffirm that the page should be kept. Macosal (talk) 05:20, 9 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge and Redirect - to Northern Spirit FC as it appears this is where their youth teams now continue. No notability surrounding the men's team. By definition, playing in the regional qualifying rounds of a national competition is insufficient to satisfy WP:FOOTYN. Wider GNG concerns still exist and am inclined to support the closing admin's comments in this similar discussion as being pertinant. Fenix down (talk) 15:08, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree that this may be a good solution. Club may well become notable in its own right in the future but for now not a lot of information out there. Macosal (talk) 13:13, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Don't Delete - I'm not sure if this should be kept or merged. Either way, I think it's clear that Delete isn't the correct outcome. Nfitz (talk) 22:55, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 10:34, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete or redirect (to the target mentioned above). Absolutely reasonable argument can be made that there is significant coverage in reliable sources, per the GNG. The sources mentioned above do not address the subject directly and in detail, which the GNG rightly requires. If the sources can't even give us reliable information about what this club is and how it came about, that's a pretty good indication that the GNG test isn't met.--Mkativerata (talk) 11:53, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment - in the interest of achieving consensus, it seems to be noteworthy that no one seems to be opposed to a merge/redirect (except for the initial two editors who may have been unaware of the facts discussed since)? Macosal (talk) 12:59, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


 * Comment -Some kind of page is required to detail Northern Spirit FC, as a member of the, then top-flight NSL. I believe playing in a national top-flight football competition leads to notability? As for GHFA Spirit FC and linking the two, that is something I don't fully understand or have an opinion on.--TinTin (talk) 04:47, 4 September 2014 (UTC)