Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gladiatrix (novel)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. please let me know if you want this userfied anywhere Spartaz Humbug! 10:30, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Gladiatrix (novel)

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No indication of notability per WP:Notability (books), unreferenced, no significant coverage of book online from WP:Reliable sources. Prod contested by creator. Top Jim (talk) 15:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  —Top Jim (talk) 15:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Where would I look for this sort of thing? Can a wiki article on a book cite the book itself?  Any practical advice would be gratefully received.Sammy_r (talk) 16:02, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Any WP:Reliable sources online or in print would be useful. If you'd like help scanning and uploading a printed review, I'd be happy to assist. Top Jim (talk) 16:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just looking through various wikis on novels, there aare any number of other articles in identical states. Should I just leave it as a stub?Sammy_r (talk) 16:04, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:OTHERSTUFF, and let's improve the article in this discussion as best we can. Top Jim (talk) 16:05, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Great - help appreciated. Printed eveidence is being rattled together as we speak.  In the meantime, would it add any weight to cite the publisher's website rather than the author's.  The information exists in both.  Thanks.  Sammy_r (talk) 16:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Neither of those sites would be considered WP:Reliable sources: please try to find some from WP:Secondary sources. Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 16:23, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Opinion on this as a source, please (http://januarymagazine.com/2009/04/new-this-month-gladiatrix-by-russell.html). January magazine is an established, web-only (I think) book magazine.  Independant of the author or publisher. Sammy_r (talk) 19:42, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Blogs aren't considered to be WP:Reliable sources, as they're Self-published sources. Top Jim (talk) 21:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Please could you try this one:
 * http://thestar.com.my/lifestyle/story.asp?file=/2008/8/1/lifebookshelf/1508756&sec=lifebookshelf,
 * Sammy_r (talk) 19:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * or this one
 * http://www.booktrade.info/index.php/showarticle/13221
 * Sammy_r (talk) 19:12, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The second one is a press release, but the first one is a bona-fide review in a mainstream tabloid newspaper: I'll add the first one now.
 * By the way, this discussion about improving the article really belongs on the article's talk page: any objections to me moving this conversation to Talk:Gladiatrix (novel)? Thanks, Top Jim (talk) 23:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No objections whatsoever, and thanks for the advice. Sammy_r (talk) 14:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No objections whatsoever, and thanks for the advice. Sammy_r (talk) 14:22, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:18, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * One source isn't enough, and I haven't found any others. It's verifiable but not notable, so there should be some mention of it on Wikipedia, but not in the form of its own article.  I'll go with redirect to List of fantasy novels (A-H) until such time as there's a second independent review we can use as a source.— S Marshall  T/C 00:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Notability may be forthcoming if the trilogy is completed and takes off, but at the moment it doesn't appear to be notable. I disagree with the redirect as as far as I can tell this isn't a fantasy novel but instead historical fiction, and besides we try to avoid redlinks/nolinks in lists anyway. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  01:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, you guys are a tricky bunch to get stuff past . . . you may have to help me out some more. Firslty, unquestionably it's a historical novel - no fantasy involved.  There's a further independant book review at: http://www.unrv.com/book-review/gladiatrix.php.   Sammy_r (talk) 10:56, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Over the last couple of days I've tried to have an objective consideration of the situation. Admittedly this is difficult accepting that I'm the original author of the article, so must post that fact here as a 'vested interest'.  The argument seems to hinge around Notability (in a nutshell, is this book important enough to rate an entry on Wikipedia.)  Reading  the (quite complex) guidelines on Notability with this book particularly in mind, two things become apparent.  The first is that they do not lend themselves well to this particular article, and the second is that they are quite subjective.  On balance, and as impartial as I can be, I think this article is most definately borderline, but just worthy of the benefit of the doubt, (given that it can only become more notable on release of the rest of the trilogy, and it would be a pain to rewrite.)  So, my proposal is that remains as is until 1st December, and if no further constructive input is received by 1st December, the article remains in situ, but with the following at the top.

and this discussion moved to its discussion page. Sammy_r (talk) 09:59, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete and userfy until more sources become available, which is not unlikely.  Sandstein   07:18, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.