Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glasgow University Scottish Nationalist Association


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 07:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Glasgow University Scottish Nationalist Association
College clubs are not notable. The historical information is already included in the National Party of Scotland article. - Delete. BlueValour 18:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep most student clubs are not notable, but some can be. PatGallacher 19:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete- fails all notability critera. Also note Articles for deletion/Glasgow University Labour Club Astrotrain 19:15, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - this club was instrumental in the formation of the Scottish National Party, and in the whole movement for Scottish independence. As such it was a key element in the creation of modern Scotland. --Mais oui! 19:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete, CSD A7. wikipediatrix 19:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * CSD A7? The original author was an IP address and the one who tagged it was a user. What are you talking about? Regardless of your reasoning, how is this a speedy delete? -- Nish kid 64 19:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC) Sorry, about that. Read the wrong thing on the CSD page.
 * Keep. Like it says in the article, the club was the precursor to the Scottish National Party. That's notability, right there. -- Nish kid 64 19:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Notability is not conferred by proximity or relation. The article provides no sources for its claims, and even so, being a "forerunner" or "precursor" means what? A direct connection is not established. Just being a forerunner or a precursor of something else doesn't automatically make them notable. wikipediatrix 19:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The Scottish National Party page doesn't even mention this association. Astrotrain 19:54, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * However, do a Google test (with quotation marks) and you get almost 2,000 hits. Also, take a look here. That's quite a bit articles that link to Glasgow University Scottish Nationalist Association. -- Nish kid 64 20:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Do a Google test for my name, with quotation marks, and you'll get over 8 times that many results. If I put up a page saying that I was instrumental in the formation of modern Scotland, would you keep it based solely on counting my Google hits?  Or would you be wanting some cited sources to back that up?  Counting Google hits is not research. Uncle G 20:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep per mais oui &rArr;    SWAT Jester    Ready    Aim    Fire!  20:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep - change to Weak keep, I will find sources as soon as possible, notability is established. --TheM62Manchester 20:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * By what, exactly? Not a single source has been cited to establish anything, either in the article or in this AFD discussion.  All that we have are a lot of editors asking us to take solely their words for things.  We don't do that here.  Indeed, it is the underpinning of our Verifiability policy that we cannot do that here.  Please cite sources. Uncle G 20:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have added sourcing and citation tags. At present, this article breaches WP policies so how on earth can it be a 'Strong Keep'? BlueValour 20:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have changed my vote as appropriate. --TheM62Manchester 00:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep I've added some references as requested. Much of the material requested for citation is common knowledge in Scottish political circles. There are certainly multiple non-trivial sources aplenty to choose from. Indeed it is trivial to find them. Catchpole 21:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment the thing to do, if one wanted the article kept, would be to demonstrate notability and verifiability beyond doubt by including references from reliable sources. The Herald is a reliable source, so if you have access to the archives get busy. For the early history of the GUSNA, this seems like it might be helpful if you have access to MUSE or the like. I believe the soc also gets a mention in Magnusson's history. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 22:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - most student clubs are not notable, but this one is. It has an entry in the Encyclopedia of British and Irish Political Organizations which includes the statement "GUNSA became the pivot around which different elements were spliced together to form the National Party of Scotland". Warofdreams talk 22:48, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep notable club. Ekajati 13:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.