Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glass Cloud


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Glass Cloud

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Not yet notable, fails music bio, appears to be too soon based on comments on article talk page. While individual members may be notable, notability is not inherited. GregJackP  Boomer!   11:58, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. I've declined the speedy because this band features two members of notable bands, but I can't find any reliable sources about this particular project. GNews returns nothing but a Facebook page. --  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 12:42, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep The sources exist, their new album attracted the attention of multiple reliable and independent media, see for example (Corpus Christi Caller-Times),  (Noisecreep),  (Under the Gun Review). The article has potential. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 16:10, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - of the refs, myspace violates WP:ELNO (removed), youtube was a WP:SPS "interview" (removed), neversaynever is a trivial mention (on list of artists appearing), five refs from altpress do not appear to be from a reliable source and appear to be press releases, screamlikeyoumeanit is not a reliable source and is a listing of shows, and noisecreep and underthegun do not appear to be reliable sources (but might be, I'm not able to find anything on their editorial staff & process). Only the Caller-Times is definitely a reliable source, and in any event, the band still fails WP:MUSICBIO.   GregJackP   Boomer!   17:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

More references have been added — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kylegmorris (talk • contribs) 18:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - of the additional refs, formspring violates WP:ELNO (removed), last.fm is not reliable (see WP:RSN), the 2 equalvision and the basickrecords refs are WP:SPS and not reliable, the aptour ref is a press release, absolutepunk is not a reliable source, killyourscene and hailsandhorns do not appear to be reliable sources.  GregJackP   Boomer!   20:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

They are reliable sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.123.28 (talk) 20:21, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, the band's last album has been reviewed by Sputnikmusic, it has received some further reliable source coverage (WNCT-TV, Caller Times, The New Review, Noisecreep, Hails and Horns Magazine) and some from possibly-reliable sources . Also passes WP:BAND. Cavarrone (talk) 03:54, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Sputnikmusic in this case is not a reliable source, the review was by a "User" rather than one that is acknowledged as a professional class ("Staff", "Reviewer", "Emeritus") - the "User" category has no editorial or professional oversight and is comparable to IMDb or a wiki-type review system. The only two I see that are reliable are the WNCT-TV and Caller Times - the others are not clear on their editorial control and I can find nothing on WP:RSN that indicates that they are reliable.  I also do not believe that they pass WP:BAND - the mere fact that they toured does not make the tour notable.   GregJackP   Boomer!   05:08, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Haven't noticed the Spuntik review was by an user, you are true. About the rest, according the relevant WP article Noisecreep, despite its blog format, is a legitimate music news website. The New Review appears a legitimate music review site. Hails and Horns Magazine is a printed music magazine. You yourself agree about the reliability of the WNCT-TV and Caller Times. I'm uncertain about the rest, even if probably a couple of the other websites are not selfpublished/blog sites. In my opinion it is not so few coverage, considering metalcore genre is a niche music genre. About WP:BAND, which tour do you refer? the criterium says "Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles." and Glass Cloud meeets it (Jerry Roush was a former member of Sky Eats Airplane and Of Mice & Men + Joshua Travis  (former member of The Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza). Cavarrone (talk) 07:13, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

+1notability point, album charted on billboard charts http://www.billboard.com/charts/heatseekers-albums?chartDate=2012-07-28#/charts/heatseekers-albums?chartDate=2012-07-28 The Royal Thousand - Glass Cloud - #5 Heatseekers Albums #42 Independent Albums #21 Hard Rock Albums 35forMVP (talk) 08:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ...that means the group also meets WP:BAND: "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." Cavarrone (talk) 08:49, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 16:40, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep (leaning). Not many of the Alternative Press refs in the article contain in-depth coverage, but this album review looks good to me. Then there's the Corpus Christi Caller-Times interview mentioned above, and regarding Noisecreep, it appears to be an acceptable source according to WikiProject Albums. It's close, but I think there's just enough material for the group to pass WP:GNG and WP:BAND.  Gongshow  Talk 18:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.