Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glasspacks

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Glasspacks
While the word does google, none of the hits are related to this article. Neologism? Obscure techtalk? Radiant! 13:04, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, real thing. Nice of you to check out all 25,800 hits for the word, but I think you missed out this one and about 830 others . Kappa 13:29, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Very well, but maybe we require a disambig then? Radiant! 14:12, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's anything to disambig it with yet. There's a band "glasspack" and a company  but they don't have articles. Kappa 15:17, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * True, but there could be. The question is, is the band more notable than the term? Or the company? Radiant! 16:09, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep As the article states, a glasspack is a popular type of muffler among certain (young male?) automobile owners&mdash;distinctive enough from OEM and other aftermarket mufflers to deserve its own article. Should be titled in the singular, however. But it's not made of glass, (it uses fiberglass for sound-deadening), nor does it amplify sound (as anyone who's ever had a set of lake pipes can attest). The fact that a company and a band took its name is another indication that it needs its own article. DialUp 17:23, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. They're filled with fiberglass as DialUp pointed out.  My brother had a set on his old '67 Mustang.  Ah, memories.  Even with "freeway gears" that car was a holy terror and the 'packs were a major reason why.  Correct errors and remove the "ricer" POV comment. - Lucky 6.9 20:33, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. OK stub. Mark for cleanup, though, as I don't think the information is very accurate. I was never part of the hotrod culture but even I heard about them. Good chance that someone wise in the ways of J. C. Whitney will expand it into a real article someday. They didn't amplify the sound though surely they were louder than the standard article. I wonder what the deal was? Perhaps they deadened the sound just exactly enough to make the car barely legal while providing the minimum back pressure? Presumably the ostensible purpose was to increase the engine's power, not its sound. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:29, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Now I've gotten interested... I like this: http://www.v6z24.com/howto/glasscat says "How to install a Glasspack in Place of Your Cat: If your cat has gone bad, and you want a simple fix without making the car sound too loud and possibly like crap, you can reaplace the cat with a glasspack muffler. Keep in mind that this is illegal, and will be noticed if inspections are done in your area. It is also not the greatest for the environment, but do as you wish... ;-)"


 * Weak keep and cleanup, including making title singular. Glasspacks are the most well-known generic type of aftermarket exhaust, and maybe the most well-known term for aftermarket equipment of any sort.  Dpbsmith's guesses were correct:  The purpose was a modicum of sound-deadening with a minimum of backpressure.  In the fifties and sixties, most hotrodders didn't understand the effects of exhaust-pipe diameter, stepping, and length that affect resonance and thus affect evacuation of burnt gasses from the cylinder.  So they often used the biggest available headers dumping into big glasspacks, which sounded testosteronous but resulted in less than optimal torque and power.  When I was the sort of teenager who valued power over handling, I had them on a 1972 Pontiac GTO with a 400-cubic-inch engine, and it scared neighborhood pets.  Barno 18:20, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I made a hasty attempt to fix the article, which actually had lots of problems (it didn't not make it clear that the "glass" was fiberglass, and it implied that these devices actually amplified engine noise), but if you actually know something about them I'd appreciate it if you would take a quick pass over it yourself. Something ought to be said about the cultural context (teenagers, testosteronosity, etc.) but it should be carefully NPOV... Dpbsmith (talk) 19:51, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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