Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Global James Bond Day


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge somewhere. What I see here (other than a lot of personal acrimony that has no place in such a discussion) is a consensus that this probably does not merit a stand-alone article. However, there does not seem to be a consensus on how to deal with that issue as several different options are presented and none of them seems to have broad support. (no offense, but I would also note that "delete and merge" doesn't make a lot of sense, how can you merge something that's already been deleted?) I will tag the article as needing a merge and open the relevant talk page discussion so that this discrepancy can be resolved. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Global James Bond Day

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A one-off day, which in itself wasn't notable for much more than being a PR exercise by the Bond franchise owners. SchroCat (talk) 09:29, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete A very insignificant news event with no lasting significance. Might be mentioned in one of the many existing Bond articles, but I'm not sure which one. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It is briefly mentioned in "Skyfall (song)‎", as the song was released at 0:07 on that day, which is appropriate, but you're right: there's not much point in including it in any of the other Bond articles. - SchroCat (talk) 10:27, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect to James_Bond_in_film. I waffled between redirecting this to a subsection in the main film series page or specifically to Skyfall (since this was a rather obvious way of promoting the film since it released the following month), but since this focused on the series as a whole I added it to the film page. Worth noting on the film page? Sure. Worthy of its own article? At this point, no. If it's held again this year and if it gets enough coverage, I'd argue it could merit its own article at that point. But not until then. Until that point this is just a marketing event that got a small amount of coverage, but not enough to show that it was a major event. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   10:32, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry TokyoGirl, but it doesn't belong in the James Bond in film article at all, not even as a passing reference, let alone a sub section in its own right. As per above, it is mentioned on the Skyfall song page: it doesn't even make it as far as the film page, as it all very separate. - SchroCat (talk) 10:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 11:58, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 11:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete Basically a promotional event pending the release of Skyfall. Maybe noteworthy enough to be added to the legacy section of Dr. No (film), since it was tied in to the release of that film. Betty Logan (talk) 12:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Related AfD material has been removed from the encyclopedia by the nominator, including five references, at  with the explanation "not worth adding at all!".  Unscintillating (talk) 13:01, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, and I've mentioned it all above. It's got nothing to do with the James Bond in film article. - SchroCat (talk) 13:07, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Your opinion that the relationship is "nothing" shows that you lack objectivity on this topic. Unscintillating (talk) 13:17, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * thank you for your comment. I'm afraid I don't agree with your assessment of the situation. - SchroCat (talk) 13:21, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Then how do you explain your statement that Global James Bond Day and James Bond in film have "nothing to do" with each other? Unscintillating (talk) 13:51, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment I glanced at the cleveland.com source and the telegraph.co.uk source and both mention the film Everything Or Nothing: The Untold Story of 007.  This review calls the film a "50th anniversary doc", and dated 4 October 2012 says, "It's the Bond movies' 50th birthday..."  Unscintillating (talk) 13:52, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The film Everything Or Nothing: The Untold Story of 007 is already mentioned twice in the encyclopedia, once at Gun barrel sequence and once at 25th Tokyo International Film Festival. Unscintillating (talk) 14:46, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment This source was removed from the article one hour after the start of the AfD.  Unscintillating (talk) 14:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This source makes the point that, "...[Eon] first announced in January that this would be the year of Bond..." Unscintillating (talk) 14:54, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment Here is an article with a picture and a paragraph of information specifically about the auction in London, which was part of the Global James Bond Day.  Unscintillating (talk) 14:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment This ref which discusses Bond films being shown at MOMA in October 2012, and this ref which reports a Goldfinger exhibit in October 2012, also show that the 25th anniversary of the release of Dr. No was observed, and that the events of the 50th anniversary were more than promotion by Eon.  Unscintillating (talk) 15:43, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I think you're confusing a few things here (as much as some of the sources did). Yes, it was the anniversary year, but 99% of what you have mentioned has nothing to do with global JB day. Global JB day was one part of the anniversary. It was unconnected to MOMA, the documentary or the Christie's auction. - SchroCat (talk) 16:16, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The reliable sources say otherwise. Your statistic of "99%" shows your continuing lack of objectivity.  There is a kernel of truth in what you say in that the WP:COMMONNAME appears to be "James Bond Day" rather than "Global James Bond Day".  Unscintillating (talk) 17:13, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * ps. James Bond in film is about the background to the production of the films, rather than a history of EON Productions marketing moves. - SchroCat (talk) 16:59, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * And is that supposed to prove that Global James Bond Day and James Bond in film have "nothing to do" with each other? Unscintillating (talk) 17:13, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Lazy-arsed journalism using an incorrect short-hand term does not make for a reliable source. Do either MOMA or Christie's refer to their events being part of "Global JB Day"? Your lack of perspective, objectivity and subject-knowledge is concerning. - SchroCat (talk) 17:24, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * So if the source doesn't use the exact term, "Global James Bond Day" they are either not reliable, or they are talking about an unrelated 50th James Bond anniversary event or film release occurring on 5 October 2012? Unscintillating (talk) 18:06, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment Here are a couple of reliable sources from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences:
 * Unscintillating (talk) 18:06, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Unscintillating (talk) 18:06, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Unscintillating (talk) 18:06, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

"the exact term, "Global James Bond Day" they are either not reliable, or they are talking about an unrelated 50th James Bond anniversary event or film release occurring on 5 October 2012?" Again, you're mixing up the overall fiftieth anniversary over the course of the year and one specific day on which a small number of events happened. Thise included the Academy music event and a few others, but have nothing to do with the documentary, auction, MOMA event etc, etc. I'm not sure if you're accidentally confusing the two or not, but we are not talking about the overall fiftieth anniversary, but whether an article called "Global James Bond Day" should exist or not. "Global James Bond Day" was a on-off day, a PR exercise by the Bond franchise owners. Does that, in itself, need an article? (Please try not to introduce more material related to the general course of events over the year, but simply matters relating to that day. - SchroCat (talk) 18:20, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * One of the four references remaining in the article is .  As per our article on NY Daily News, this paper is the 4th most-circulated paper in the US and has won ten Pulitzer prizes.  The title of this article (emphasis added) is "Global James Bond Day: Worldwide 007 celebration set for October 5th" and the subtitle is "Bond events include a film retrospective from the Museum of Modern Art in New York and a music night from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences."  According to you, the events of this article "have nothing to do with...MOMA event..."  And above you say, "Global JB day was one part of the anniversary. It was unconnected to MOMA..."  The NY Daily News goes on to say (emphasis added) "Other Global James Bond Day events will include the release of a new documentary “Everything or Nothing: The Untold Story of 007,” a Bond memorabilia auction for twelve charities, a worldwide survey to determine favorite Bond films by country and an exhibition “Designing 007: 50 Years of Bond Style” at the Toronto International Film Festival."  Unscintillating (talk) 19:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Does MOMA or Christies state that they are part of the day? (A clue on Christies is that the auction took place in September, with G JB Day in October). No. Neither of them do. Is a one-off PR exercise sufficient cause for an encyclopaedic article? No. It isn't. If you think that it is, then you have a very different idea as to what constitutes an encyclopaedia than I do. - SchroCat (talk) 19:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I provided above a short article from telegraph.co.uk that tells that the online auction took place from 28 September to 8 October. It goes on to say, "[T]he remaining ten lots are offered by invitation-only at the auction house on 5 October."  Unscintillating (talk) 20:56, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I found a source from Christies, that says that the auction brought in €2,034,999. Unscintillating (talk) 20:56, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * So no mention of Global JB Day then. There's absolutely no mention of the day at all in the auction catalogue. - SchroCat (talk) 21:06, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As per the post I made at 19:23 on 27 April 2013 above, the source lists the auction as associated with the day, and your point that the auction catalog does not in turn list the day doesn't mean that a reliable source has not already made the connection. Unscintillating (talk) 08:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You can ignore Christie's own site, and the auction catalogue if you really want to, but they appear not to be stepping into a free advertising portal in their actions. Perhaps you should consider their reasons, as nothing anyone else is saying seems to be shaking your convictions on this point. - SchroCat (talk) 09:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep The main concerns raised in this AfD are notability, WP:PROMOTE, and unclear topic.  This diff establishes by WP:CONSENSUS that the topic is notable, so to the extent that this AfD was brought to look at notability, it is an end-run around discussion which is required by WP:CONSENSUS.  I agree with the existing consensus at the article that this topic passes WP:GNG.  There is also the issue of WP:EVENT notability, but this is refuted by several avenues.  (1) The MOMA has identified that this event was previously recognized on the 25th anniversary.  (2) Even if we stipulate that WP:EVENT fails, James Bond in film currently has more than 380 references, so a spin-off article would be proper.  (3) Thirdly, the film release as part of this event is not itself an event, and IMO this is the proper place in the encyclopedia to provide more detail about the film.  Regarding unclear topic, the argument that this topic is only the promotional parts of the events that occurred on this day merely serves the effort to argue this topic is part of WP:NOT under WP:PROMOTE.  In fact, I see no good reason not to at least consider the event at the Macau Gaming Lounge and Bar in Jamaica as reported in the Jamaica Gleaner, where Jamaica is historically significant to James Bond, and where the article reports, "...October 5 is being celebrated globally as James Bond Day."  I recommend that the topic be retitled "James Bond Day", as per the Jamaica article, to clarify the topic.  As for WP:PROMOTE, the many organizations and media that participated or reported; such as MOMA, Christies, the Oscar academy, telegraph.co.uk, guardian.co.uk, and the NY Daily News; did not do so to promote Eon.  Unscintillating (talk) 21:45, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * you have way too many steps in false logic here. I'm even more concerned about your lack of objectivity, subject knowledge and grasp of what consensus is. - SchroCat (talk) 05:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't want false steps in logic. And no one has stopped you from listing them.  But a claim of such without documentation of such shows a continuing problem with your objectivity.  Unscintillating (talk) 08:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You may not want them, but you introduced them. Please stop with your bad faith mud-slinging. - SchroCat (talk) 09:31, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete -- Concur with SchroCat. The article is nowhere near notable enough to keep.  I think we have to be careful not to tire the reader.  Bond is widely covered on WP, and having non-notable articles such as this will over expose Bond as a topic. --  Cassianto Talk   20:30, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Saying "concur with SchroCat" creates a puzzle because the editor you cite for support has had difficulty in making a coherent argument. More information is found in this editor interaction analyzer.  In addition to numerous overlaps in articles edited, each of these two editors has made substantial contributions in the sandbox of the other editor.  In this circumstance, your !vote is lacking.  Unscintillating (talk) 08:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If we are going to be pedantic about things, then I shall say this: Concur with SchroCat in his "incoherent argument" (which is your opinion by the way). --   Cassianto Talk   12:54, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - I would like to vote delete, because it is promotional and an advertisement shouldn't have a day named after it. This article doesn't deserve its own page, but it may have notability. [Wikipedia:NOTADVERTISING#ADVERTISING]. While this may not count: it may be notable, but it's not notable enough to have its own day named after it. The article subject is only notable, because of the production company behind it. It is also improper to remove citations from an article, to push deletion. This article should be deleted or merged, regardless of notability. Sidelight 12 Talk 03:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Absolutely no-one has removed citations to "push for deletion", and I resent the implication here. To clarify, Tokyogirl79 tweaked the article to include the following:
 * "Global James Bond Day was an event held on October 5, 2012 by Eon Productions at the Museum of Modern Art in New York.[1]"
 * This is utterly erroneous and misleading, so I tweaked the wording to read
 * "Global James Bond Day was a global event held on 5 October 2012 by Eon Productions."
 * The citation was taken out in the process because what was written was supported by the next citation, from the NY Daily News and the edit summary of "It was not a one-off in one location" was the rationale behind it. It should be unneccessary to remind you of WP:AGF in the actions of others, especially when removing errors. - SchroCat (talk) 08:08, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry SchroCat, and Tokyogirl79. Someone mentioned that sources were removed. I did notice, on my own, that sources got moved into the text from the references section, which is fine. The article should still be deleted regardless of notability, on grounds that it is promotional. Sidelight 12 Talk 09:48, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for clearing that bit up so quickly: it is much appreciated. - SchroCat (talk) 09:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If you do the math, the article had six sources when nominated, and it now has four. Unscintillating (talk) 08:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you do the maths properly, and try and assume just a little bit of good faith along the lines, there were six unconnected sources which had been dropped into the sources section: there were no inline citations to connect the text with those sources., in this edit reduced it to four inline citations, having ensured that what was in the text was properly supported, and then added a fifth in a subsequent edit. As I have already pointed out, in order to correct an error that Tokyogirl79 introduced, I edited the first sentence to ensure what was there was correct. As the dispute here is not over the fact that there are no sources, but on entirely different grounds, your constant bad faith attitude and snide accusations here are crossing any normal or rational lines of interaction. Please do not introduce further slurs against other editors. - SchroCat (talk) 09:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright then. Sidelight 12 Talk 10:00, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect / Merge into a James Bond related article, because of WP:PROMOTION. It is notable, but not important enough to get its own page with a day named after a fictional character. Its notability is because of the production company, and this is that company's promotional material day. Sidelight 12 Talk 00:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, but then where should the film Everything Or Nothing: The Untold Story of 007 be covered? Unscintillating (talk) 08:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Doesn't that belong in James Bond in film or its own page? And this article belongs under James Bond.
 * It is interesting enough to be a subsection of another article, but its too arrogant for it to have its own page. I added back a reference. There are 3 others, I didn't add back because 2 were not so good, and one was a deadlink to forbes. http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20121008/ent/ent2.html http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/10/bond-day-vote.html Sidelight 12  Talk
 * I'm not sure about having this in James Bond, but there is a good argument for having it in Eon Productions, as it is their advertising initiative. As for Everything Or Nothing, I'm not entirely sure where a documentary would go. It would probably rate passing mention in a couple of places, but not much more than that. - SchroCat (talk) 09:42, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - per SchroCat and others. Non-notable and misleading. The article claims the date coincides with Skyfall's release. Skyfall would not be released for several more weeks. The celebrations appear to have been New York, Los Angeles and London centric. Hardly worldwide. - Fantr (talk) 00:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Granted Skyfall was not released on 5 October 2012 and the article could be more clear, but the release of Skyfall was scheduled (probably most of a year in advance as per the source removed from the article) in association with the day and released later in the month.  What this boils down to is that you are emphasizing correctable defects, and such is not a valid deletion argument as per our WP:Editing policy, WP:IMPERFECT.  Also, the editor you mention for support has had difficulty in making a coherent argument, which creates a puzzle as to why you would do so.  Looking more, I see that you have a relationship with the nominator on your talk page.  In this sequence of two posts, the nominator gives you a Barnstar and then does a WP:CANVASS for an article he/she nominated for deletion.  In this circumstance, your !vote is lacking.  Unscintillating (talk) 08:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You can withdraw the snide little accusation there. There was no canvassing whatsoever, as you can see. Bringing a thread to someone's attention in a neutrally worded way is entirely appropriate. Your hounding and insulting of other editors will ensure people read more about you into your comments than they do about the argument. - SchroCat (talk) 08:45, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep The sources on the page constitute significant coverage from reliable sources on 2 continents. It was a publicity stunt but it received significant coverage and marked a major anniversary for a very significant film franchise. J04n(talk page) 13:13, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete and Merge into James Bond. As such, is an article about promotion.  Robert McClenon (talk) 21:36, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


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