Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Globular Flute


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Discussion regarding a potential merge or name change can continue on an article talk page if desired. (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica1000 02:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Globular Flute

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Contested PROD. It was unreferenced and now one source is found, so we know this flute exists, it is not an OR. However we don't have multiple independent reliable sources on it; at least I could not find any. Dubious notability. Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 17:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect. Globular Flute is another name for Vessel flute, see . Perhaps some of the information can be transferred there. GeorgeMisty (talk) 17:44, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Let's see what other people will say. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 17:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * What it is "another name for" is irrelevant here. The article is not about "globular flutes" / "vessel flutes" in general, it is about a particular neolithic object, a globular flute which is, due to its uniqueness, simply known as the "globular flute" - though some other sources name it the "Miramor flute", (see ), so that, or "Miramor globular flute", could be an alternative article title. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 02:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. But change the title to Mramor globular flute. This AFD seems laughable to me. In an previous incarnation of it Why should I have a User Name? gave as his reasoning "No sources, no notability. Archeological museums around the world are full of similar findings". I wonder what museums the proposer frequents that are "full of" neolithic musical instruments! Such objects are incredibly rare. Why should I have a User Name? likes tagging things - but he NEVER searches for sources. Tagging is easy, source searching is difficult. I found several sources for this article, and I also found footnote citations mentioning the object's existance in specialist sources as well, indicating its notability and importance amongs specialists of this period. It was also depicted in the cover photo of an exhibition of neolithic instruments, and if you search youtube you can find several examples of musicians playing replicas of it. I dod not add those additional refferences to the article because I felt what is there easily shows notability and importance. This particular object is highly unusual, and probably unique in a European archaeological context. There is nothing else like it that has survived, but its existence gives an important insight into what neolithic culture was like. It was found in Macedonia, and so the primary literature on it going to be in Macedonian, not an easy language for searches. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 22:06, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - The sole reference contains a couple of illustrations of this item among many others. There is no substantive discussion.  No other references.  I Googled and did not find any other references regarding this particular item.--Rpclod (talk) 00:55, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The illustrations are not "the sole reference" - the illustrations are taken from the cited book in Macedonian, they are not the whole book. As for saying "illustrations of this item among many others", books/articles/papers/etc on archaeological subjects normally contain descriptions of other objects for comparison, so of course there are illustrations of other objects in that pdf excerpt - the fact that there are other objects to compare it to increases the notability and value of the object in the eyes of experts. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 02:45, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Macedonia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Macedonian speakers - is this a museum exhibit brochure of the flute? http://www.kingmarkoland.com/Upload/Content/Documents/Praistoriska_topcesta_flejta.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk • contribs) 02:32, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Merge to Vessel flute I find those who find this AfD laughable, themselves laughable. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 02:34, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * If you can't be civil, please leave this discussion. Rather than posting personal insults, why not respond to the points I made? In case you did not notice, the "vessel flute" article is empty of content and is just a link page to other articles - so what is there to merge with? Or do you want to turn the "vessel flute" article into an article whose content is entirely about this object. Have you not noticed that an article about this object already exists, that article being the article this AfD is about! Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 02:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep (probably renaming) -- This is a particular artefact. Merging it to what is currently effectively a list article (with little content) and largely concerned with the Far East is wholly inappropriate.  The article cites four references - an initial report and discussions of it.  This is ample for a short article.  Whether it is of Neolithic date may be controversial, due to the lack of an archaeological context, but I do not think that its existence is.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:21, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
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