Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glocal Forum (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Notability has been established due to significant coverage in reliable sources. Davewild (talk) 15:18, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Glocal Forum
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Consensus at first AfD was for deletion, but article was never deleted. Obviously 10 years passage of time makes CSD G4 out of the question. Appears to be a defunct forum that never achieved the notability standards for organizations. Safiel (talk) 21:24, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per the discussion in the previous AfD, all of which is pertinent to the present incarnation. To be technical: according to the deletion log, the article was deleted on 12 May 2005 pursuant to the previous AfD, and it was later speedily deleted on 13 June 2007 as a copyvio. Although the source of the copyvio is no longer visible (due to the demise of the forum), in all likelihood it was also the source of the present incarnation. —teb728 t c 22:04, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  lavender |(formerly HMSSolent )| lambast  00:24, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions.  lavender |(formerly HMSSolent )| lambast  00:24, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

"Delete No in-line citations. No references. Two dead external links. No sources to document material at all. Tapered (talk) 23:23, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * This article was deleted after the AFD ten yyears ago. See the deletion log. But was later recreated. 103.6.158.193 (talk) 03:45, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I am somewhat disappointed that neither the nomination nor either of the contributions so far address the question of notability but instead entirely discuss the current state of the article and its history. So far as notability is concerned, I would regard this coverage in a textbook from Cambridge University Press as a fairly strong indicator and this also as a reliable source, though probably not quite adequate for notability by themselves. And while other immediately visible reliable sources seem to be passing mentions, I suspect that there would be sufficient substantial reliable coverage, mostly from the organisation's early years, hidden behind snippets on GBooks to pass the notability bar - but only if someone can get at it. On the other points, I would remark that, notability questions aside, the article can't really be kept as it stands: it certainly reads as if it has been largely copied from the organisation's publicity materials, and User:Edmundglocal, the article's creator, has a name which certainly suggests a connection with the organisation. And while the article has been rewritten and substantially expanded since then, Articles for deletion/Glocal forum (not noted above) places this in an interesting light - the nomination was made by User:Talleyrandnet, who in the process declared himself a member of staff of the Glocal Forum, apparently on the grounds that it duplicated the then article under this title. That article was speedily deleted (as already noted here by User:TEB728) a few hours later, and the current article moved to this title and the AfD closed on the following day. The article was then apparently completely overhauled by User:Talleyrandnet in the period immediately after this, and the article as we now have it seems to be a somewhat shortened version of this. Under the circumstances, I think the best answer is to redirect to Uri Savir, whose role in founding the organisation can be reliably verified, and allow recreation if and when someone can write an article with sufficient independent reliable sources. (Changed !vote, see below) PWilkinson (talk) 11:24, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * CommentGlad you asked. Just did a google search. After 3 pages (first 30 hits) there was squat, zero, nil, null, zilch, nada, nichts, etc, etc that approached a reliable secondary source that could justify the continued presence of this article in Wikipedia. WP:N = 0. Tapered (talk) 06:25, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The book notes on page 216: "A number of NGOs are actively working to promote glocalisation, including the Glocal Forum (Figure 7). This is a non-profit organisation 'dedicated to the promotion of international inter-city relations in pursuance of a new balance between global and local forces'. The Glocal Forum was founded in 2001 with the First Annual Glocalisation Conference held in May 2002. The conference brought together mayors and city representatives from all over the world. The Glocal Forum emphasises the central role of cities in international relations. The city-to-city approach works to bring together local leaders from both developing and developed countries. Since its inception, over 140 cities have joined the Glocal Forum Network. Figure 8 shows the cities involved in the Glocal Forum Network, with more likely to join in the future. Nearly 100 international agencies and companies have also worked with the Glocal Forum in forwarding the global development vision. The Glocal Forum argues that glocalization empowers local communities, linking them to global resources, facilitating development and providing opportunities for local communities to direct positive social change in the areas that most directly affect them. An example of the glocal approach is the 'We Are the Future' programme which aims to secure a better for children and young people in post-conflict areas. This programme was initiated with Child Centres in six developing, post-conflict cities — Addis Ababa, Asmara, Freetown, Kabul, Kigali, and Nablus."  The book notes on page 143: "The usage of the term [glocalisation] spread within business circles during the 1990s, and its meaning is contained the popular phrase at the time, 'think global, act local'. At a socio-economic leel The Glocal Forum was founded in 2001, an international, non-profit organization, amongst whose main aims is 'to encourage city-to-city cooperation', so as to 'help people from countries around the world strike the balance between sharing the benefits of globalization and maintaining local autonomy' (The Glocal Forum). Dublin is one of the over 140 cities around the world that are members of The Glocal Forum."  The book notes on page 18: "However, in the last decade, a movement, made up of many people, has grown, focusing on how we can take long-term responsibility for our planet. The “Social Forum” became a symbol of belonging and an opportunity for young people and social movements to mobilise on certain issues. Over time, its aims have become more constructive, not only purely and simply objecting to globalisation, but strongly supporting the idea that “a better world is possible.” Another very interesting example is the “Glocal Forum,” an NGO network based in Rome, which promotes peace building and development activities through city-to-city partnerships, youth empowerment, information, and communications technology. The Glocal Forum is a network of over 100 cities, including all of the world’s cities with populations over 500,000."  The article notes: "It's Thursday. Do you know where your mayor is? Last month, accurate answers would have included Greece, Frankfurt and Vienna. This month, the mayor's itinerary has taken him to California, North Carolina and Chongqing, China. At nearly every stop, Mayor Anthony A. Williams has chosen to serve you, the D.C. taxpayer, by attending. . . a conference. What's so all-fired important about these conferences that Williams (D) regularly travels thousands of miles to attend them? We stopped by the fourth annual Glocalization Conference this month to get a taste of the action. The Glocalization Conference is the meeting of the Glocal Forum, a Rome-based nonprofit group 'devoted to peace-building and development through a decentralized city-to-city approach to international cooperation,' according to the Glocalization Manifesto. Last year, Williams had to go all the way to Rome for the big meeting. This year, it was held at Gallup headquarters near Gallery Place, just a short hop across town."  The Glocal Forum is discussed extensively in the article. The article mentions "Glocal Forum" 14 times. </li> <li> The article notes: "In one of the key events of the fifth annual Glocalization conference held recently in Ankara, Turkey, Tejari has signed an agreement with Glocal Forum to create an online portal to provide procurement services to a network of more than 100 city governments and mayors across the five continents. The Glocal Forum is an international non-profit organization dedicated to improving inter-city relations by means of ‘glocalization’, a merger of global opportunities and local interests, aimed at creating a socio-economically balanced world. The Glocal Forum brings together major international institutions like the World Bank and several specialized UN agencies, private sector partners and other global actors to work at the local level. One of the major initiatives of the forum is the Glocal eCities Network Program to enable cities to modernize their governance processes with the use of information and communication technology (ICT). ... Since its inception, the Glocal network has grown by more than 263% and includes today 10% of the world’s major cities and a total population of over 132.million in 60 countries. The Glocal network is made up of cities from Europe (50%), the United States (14%), Africa and the Middle East (22%), Asia (8%) and Latin America (6%)."</li> <li></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Glocal Forum to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 22:28, 27 June 2015 (UTC) </li></ul> <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr  \ talk / 06:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment @Cunard. Good work on finding documentation. I won't put a "Keep" on this unless somebody harmonizes the article with your refs. I'm not going to do it for at least 2 days. Most of the article closely resembles public relations/advertising, violating WP:NOTSOAPBOX, plus it's undocumented. It will need to be documented somehow, or go. The article will be close to a stump, but that's in accord with the limited information on the subject. Tapered (talk) 04:12, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep, definitely notable per Cunard's sources. Cavarrone 05:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, following improvements to the article by User:Cunard. The later sections of the article still need either to be improved or removed, for the reasons I gave in my earlier comment. However, that is a reason for a shorter article (at least for now), not no article at all. PWilkinson (talk) 00:30, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


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