Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gloria Carter Spann (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:11, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Gloria Carter Spann
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Fails WP:BIO. Relatives of presidents are not inherently notable; she was not a first lady and had no official role during her brother's presidency. She needs to pass WP:BIO on her own, and she fails at that. Kbabej (talk) 23:04, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete -- probably NN. Notability is not inherited (e.g. from a brother).  She campaigned for her brothers' election, but so did lots of people; and I am not sure that being the victim of attempted blackmail is notable, unless this was particularly notorious.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:03, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per the very interesting ! vote by ip (68.95.106.101) at the last AfD. Smmurphy(Talk) 14:56, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note, I've now added this material to the article and provided references; she appears to me to meet GNG, NPOV, NOR, and V. Smmurphy(Talk) 22:23, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:02, 13 July 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: To discuss the newly mentioned sources
 * Redirect to Jimmy_Carter where the subject is mention. Not notable for a stand-alone article; the article is completely uncited -- if someone wants to dig for sources, they could restore it. For now, a redirect is sufficient. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:51, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:02, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- I still day not separately notable. Either delete or better redirect to family section of her brother.  I have read the IP's contribution on the previous AFD and still do not consider it enough to make her notable.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:28, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - I've added refs for Spann's life from newspapers.com, three are about Spann particularly, https://www.newspapers.com/clip/12521596/, https://www.newspapers.com/clip/12425167/ukiah_daily_journal/, and https://www.newspapers.com/clip/12425443/jimmys_sister_out_of_tune_the/. Each of these were carried in different forms by papers throughout the country, as was her obituary. Much of her biography can also be verified in book form by searching around google books, although most (all?) of these mentions are in books or chapters of books about Jimmy. Smmurphy(Talk) 15:23, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  So Why  08:46, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. We simply do not delete articles on people with obituaries (not paid death notices) in the New York Times, Los Angeles Times , and Washington Post , regardless of their actual accomplishments or even-more-famous relatives. These people have been noted; therefore (per WP:GNG) they are notable. There's also a short obit in American Motorcyclist if you want a little more color, and something else she was known as besides Jimmy's brother and a blackmail victim: she was well known as a motorcycle enthusiast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Eppstein (talk • contribs) 23:18, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources found by Smmurphy and David Eppstein. Obituaries in the Associated Press (published in The New York Times), the Los Angeles Times, and The Washington Post clearly establish notability. The subject passes Notability. As noted at WP:NOTINHERITED: "The fact of having a famous relative is not, in and of itself, sufficient to justify an independent article. Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG.  Newborn babies are not notable except for an heir to a throne or similar." As noted in the guideline Notability (people) (my bolding): "That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A); relationships do not confer notability." Cunard (talk) 06:30, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Tons of articles in both newspapers.com and newspaperarchives.com over time which establish clearly meets GNG. Poor writing is not the basis for deleting an article. Her notability from her own motorcycle involvement is sufficient to establish her notability as independent. SusunW (talk) 15:21, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep The obits alone are enough. Passes WP:GNG. Edwardx (talk) 16:21, 25 July 2017 (UTC)


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