Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glory 21: San Diego (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. non-policy based votes by new users are given less weight than policy based voted by established users Spartaz Humbug! 19:58, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Glory 21: San Diego
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Deleted about three weeks ago, swiftly recreated by brand-new editor. New editor removed speedy. Pinging, and. Boleyn (talk) 14:29, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Strong keep We already have articles for the previous 20 events. Glory is kickboxing's UFC. The article was first deleted because there was no official coverage. I posted a Glory site source. The championship bout between Artem Levin and Simon Marcus is confirmed. It's highly comparable to UFC 190. Hard7kek (talk) 15:36, 6 April 2015 (UTC) — Hard7kek (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Lack of official coverage is not the reason the article was deleted.Mdtemp (talk) 14:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * As User:Mdtemp stated in the first Afd, this article fails WP:EVENT and WP:GNG. Longevitydude (talk) 23:53, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete The article's only source is not independent and the previous discussion already said that this event fails WP:NEVENT. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason to keep this article--it just means the others should probably also be removed.Mdtemp (talk) 14:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Mdtemp, with all due respect, it's comparable to UFC 190! Please be fair, is there any place for kickboxing on Wikipedia? Or just for MMA? Hard7kek (talk) 15:52, 6 April 2015 (UTC) — Hard7kek (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * What makes you think I want to keep the UFC individual event articles? I think most of those should go, too.Mdtemp (talk) 15:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * So why can't you also leave this? Please? Because it's the same thing. Hard7kek (talk) 16:15, 6 April 2015 (UTC) — Hard7kek (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * If it's really the same thing, then it's redundant not to merge the information to the other page. Remember, wikipedia is not news.Longevitydude (talk) 19:08, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Strong keep Cannot understand why this article is on the deletion nomination repeatedly.Frenchcafe (talk) 14:43, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Because it doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NEVENT. There's a lack of significant independent coverage and nothing to show this event will have any historical significance (even in the field of kickboxing).Mdtemp (talk) 15:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * 1, 2, 3, etc etc Hard7kek (talk) 16:15, 6 April 2015 (UTC) — Hard7kek (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * IMO it absolutely meet WP:GNG and WP:NEVENT. GLORY is significant kickboxing organization as much as this event.Frenchcafe (talk) 15:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment', , do either of you have a connection to or work for Glory (kickboxing)? Boleyn (talk) 14:50, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You're so rude, I'm just normal Wikipedia user who is interested in kickboxing, mixed martial arts, etc.Frenchcafe (talk)
 * I don't have any connection to him or Glory. Why do you think Glory isn't important? UFC is important or not? Just because it's not hugely important for the Americans? It's very important worldwide (Europe, Brazil, Japan, South Korea and more), and even trying to get more in the US. Glory is hosting many events there. Do you know they already spent 40 million dollars? You're a newb. If you want admin position, please clean up parts that you know. Hard7kek (talk) 15:58, 6 April 2015 (UTC) — Hard7kek (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * I suspect that they're socks based on their behavior. I suggest they see wikipedia's rules on personal attacks. Longevitydude (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Longevitydude, your suspect is absolutely wrong. I think you have to see wikipedia's rules on personal attacks. suspecting other people without evidence is personal attack too.Frenchcafe (talk) 03:52, 8 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment The speedy delete (Repost) tag should have been replaced rather than a new AfD - it could have been contested on the talk page. That said, there was no convincing demonstration of notability in the article or the first AfD debate and nothing yet in the second.  Notability is based on coverage by reliable third party sources and frankly that will always be a problem with future events including UFC.  I didn't want to specifically vote during the last AfD and wont here either but notability has to be established and how Glory compares to the UFC is irrelevant.Peter Rehse (talk) 15:50, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * A Repost after the event happened with extra references would be far less of an issue.Peter Rehse (talk) 17:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 16:34, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment, I did tag it for speedy but it was removed by creator. 19:27, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Exactly - and either you or someone else would just replace the removed tag - maybe with a warning to the user. In any case it is here now and open for debate.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:31, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:26, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:26, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:ONEEVENT and WP:ONESOURCE Longevitydude (talk) 23:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete a promo piece for an upcoming one of event, should be a lot of fun but isn't encyclopedic. Facebook page yes, encyclopedia no. Bryce Carmony (talk) 05:38, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep glory's numbered series are notable events in kickboxing like k-1 world grand prix series, so i think there's no problem on this page. 203.226.206.161 (talk) 07:50, 7 April 2015 (UTC) — 203.226.206.161 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment IP above (1st edit): I'm suspecting WP:SOCKs on this page. Boleyn (talk) 08:10, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Who are the suspected socks aside from 203.226.206.161? Longevitydude (talk) 18:03, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Response, see , and  always respond about 2 - 5 minutes after the other, and in the same poor English and antagonistic tone. Hard7kek only started editing on 6th April 2015, to create this article. It seems to be pretty much exactly the same as the article written by Frenchcafe, which was deleted 4th March. Boleyn (talk) 18:10, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I'd recommend starting a Sock page for them and deleting their rude comments and if convcted then all their comments should be deleted. I sent a response to them about personal attacks. Longevitydude (talk) 19:04, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * what are you doing you guys? by English tone and response time you can decide who is multiuser of who? very poor judges. i suspect you guys are in relationship or same people, if i follow your way lol. i really don't know Hard7kek and ip address above. if you can see my sandbox i wrote about glory 21: San Diego to create article after the event, and this is not same with this current article. and i rarely mention on other user's talk page even my talk page. if you guys think this article must be deleted, then just show your opinion about this article and don't do useless suspecting. i'm ready to take the result of this discussion and wait until the event is over. Frenchcafe (talk) 03:18, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * for your additional information, when I contributed past GLORY's event page I always user "background" section but Hard7kek didn't. and I never contributed about "international broadcasting" section because I don't know well about that, but he did. not only this big 2 differences but in details his article is not like mine in very many ways.(for example I always user "upcoming" word on the article of future event, but he didn't use it.) Frenchcafe (talk) 04:08, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. And the editor can't remove the speedy delete template. Prod yes, but not CSD or AFD templates. I'd be inclined to just restore the CSD template. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:35, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete This should have been speedily deleted, but there's still plenty of reasons to delete this article. The only source is a link to the promotion's web page so WP:GNG is not met.  There's also no indication that this fight card meets WP:NEVENT. Papaursa (talk) 17:15, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment This obviously isn't the best place to discuss sockpuppetry, but wanted it noted here that after my report Frenchcafe has been found to be a sockpuppeter, inconclusive at the moment whether Hard7kek is one of the socks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Frenchcafe). It's something which does need to be borne in mind when closing. Boleyn (talk) 07:01, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * so you found anything about relation with me, and IP user above? following your link page I see nothing found about your suspect that me and Hard7kek are same people, right? And about, that is my former account and after I made current new account in 2013 I rarely used former account except only 1 particular page and I contributed to my main interested field (kickboxing, martial arts, etc) only with current account. yeah I didn't see illegitimate act that still using old account with current account, so I will not use that old accout anymore. But that is nothing with above issue on this discussion, because i'm not them above, so the fact is here is 3 people who think Glory 21: San Diego article should be keep and 6 people who think opposite until now. That is the result of this discussion. Frenchcafe (talk) 08:53, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.