Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glover's Medicated Salt Cake


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. MuZemike 20:24, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Glover's Medicated Salt Cake
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Non-notable livestock medicine. Article reads like spam, ironically, for a product that doesn't exist anymore. Borderline hoax. --SquidSK (1MC•log) 01:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Added tag. The article may be worded oddly, but seems like a notable product both at the time and in an antique/collector's aftermarket capacity.Vulture19 (talk) 04:14, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Vulture19. It does however need cleanup.  Joe407 (talk) 05:24, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Sundropman05 This is not a hoax. I wouldnt have spent my time on making up a page on something that didnt exist. I even have a picture of a original display rack that was used during the time period. I live in the town where the company was located and was able to buy the display rack for a high sum of money and found my information on "Google" where you said there wasnt any information. Just think if someone deleted your first page--Sundropman05 (talk) 06:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not hoax, needs cleanup and copy-editing however. warrior  4321  12:01, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment the reason it "smelled funny" to me was that it looked like all the information (and grammar) came straight out of that catalog page you cited. It gave the impression that, while doing some sort of reserach, you decided to make an article about this product, which has "more medicine than any other salt cake."  If it's a keep, I hope that someone can establish notability with some better references than a catalog page.  WP:PRODUCT guides us to consider including the product in an article about the manufacturer, if the same can be shown to be notable.  --SquidSK (1MC•log) 12:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Further comment in regards to the comment on the article's talk page about the product's importance to the town of Bailey, North Carolina, doesn't that seem to indicate that the encyclopedia would be better served by having the product merged into a section of the town's article? --SquidSK (1MC•log) 13:08, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I think that would be like having the State College, PA article merged into the Penn State article (the former certainly would not exist without the latter). Symbiotic entities can be notable exclusive of each other.Vulture19 (talk) 03:11, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Response You're comparing Penn State to Glover's Medicated Salt Cake? I must be missing something.  --SquidSK [[User_talk:SquidSK|

(1MC]]•log) 12:19, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I was using that an example in response to the idea that something that is important to a location should only be included as a section of the location. Sorry for the confusion.Vulture19 (talk) 16:36, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:42, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Although this is a well-made page, there are no reliable sources for these claims (as far as I can tell, only a catalog advertisement), and even though this product was once sold, there just seems to be no indication at all that it is notable. --Glenfarclas (talk) 09:16, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep. Candidate for cleanup/improvement rather than deletion. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 02:13, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and retool. Google Books search for "Glover's Medicated" yields a few dozen results for a family of products, including Glover's Mange Medicine, Glover's Medicated Soap, and Glover's System of Massage, extant into the 1940s. While the notability of the salt cake alone is iffy, it should certainly be included as part of a larger article on the producer and its array of wares. bd2412  T 04:20, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment this would seem to indicate that an article about the manufacturer, rather than the individual product, would be more justified. "Information on products...should generally be included int he article on the company itself..." --SquidSK (1MC•log) 12:51, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I was aiming to say. bd2412  T 20:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete for now since there are no secondary sources and the claims made for the product as if they were facts is not acceptable in an encyclopedia. An article on the company is a good idea however, as others have said. 76.126.9.65 (talk) 05:06, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. It appears that the only source used in this article is an ad for the product. Granted, it's an old ad, but it's still just an advertisement, not an inherently reliable source. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:09, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Move to I. N. Glover and keep. Books results for "Glover's Medicated" and "I. N. Glover" suggest that a referenceable article could be made about this business and its several product lines, of which this Salt Cake was but one of several.  (Aside: oddly, salt cake redirects to sodium sulfate, rather than an article about commercially compounded salt lick blocks.) - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 16:17, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually (and this is just getting deeper and deeper), I'm unable to connect Irvin N. Glover and his salt cakes to the other "Glover's" products, which seem to arise with a New York veterinarian named H. Clay Glover, who came to prominence in the late 1880s with several books on dogs. If the two can be shown to be related somehow, then there is a basis for an article. Otherwise, this one should simply be deleted after all. bd2412  T 21:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Perhaps we need an actual article about commercially produced salt blocks for livestock first; salt cake, as noted above, redirects to a page that does not discuss them.  The illustrations would be useful for such an article if it is ever written. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 21:47, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.