Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gnostic saints (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. -- Scott Burley (talk) 00:14, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Gnostic saints
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I just closed Articles for deletion/Gnostic saints and moved this article, previously at Gnostic saints (Christian), to this title. But it has issues of its own that merit deletion.

Basically, it's not sourced and, as far as I can tell after a quick search, not reliably sourceable (WP:V). It may be entirely made up or based on some fringe ideas. The people listed here are sometimes described as Gnostics in their articles, but not as saints or the subject of veneration. The article Gnosticism makes no mention of saints. A Google search for "Gnostic saints" yields what looks like a bunch of self-published websites about esotericism. I don't see the basis of a verifiable article or list here.

And for what it's worth, the creator is a blocked sock of a banned editor,, and there have not been any substantial content edits by others.  Sandstein  17:24, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete The respective subject articles do not even mention their supposed sainthood. Reywas92Talk 18:05, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Either delete or categorize, if the latter holds up to category standards. John M Wolfson (talk) 18:55, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * There is already Category:Gnostic saints (Christian), which has the same problems and will also need to be deleted.  Sandstein   20:17, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Then delete both. John M Wolfson (talk) 05:34, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - Did not find any reliable sources to support any content on this page... Spyder212 (talk) 22:34, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Rename and repurpose as List of Gnostic leaders or such like and purge medieval heretics into a separate category. The category should be renamed to match.  At present it contains an Albigensian (a movement foreshadowing Protestantism); a Cathar (a non-Catholic sect in southern France); and a few other oddballs, none of whom appear to be Gnostics (who believed they has some secret revelation beyond scripture).
 * That would be the creation of an entirely different article, to which I have no objection, but it doesn't prevent deleting this one.  Sandstein   17:40, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete rarely used term. Possibly a reference to the "Gnostic Saints" of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica and Liber XV, The Gnostic Mass. Google Scholar also shows some usage to talk about Sufism. I'm thinking possibly a redirect or disambiguation to one or both of those topics might be advisable, but maybe this is just too obscure a term with too much variation in meaning for that to work. SJK (talk) 07:16, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


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