Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Godfathers of MMA


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 00:19, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Godfathers of MMA

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Non-notable self-published book. At first it seems very well referenced but then one notices the references are to events the book describes not to the book itself. The article is part of a walled garden with the originating author only editing and creating articles related to the company the book describes and the principles involved. I see a COI here. Peter Rehse (talk) 14:58, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 14:58, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. North America1000 17:54, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:21, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello friends. I have seen the objection. May I please present more citations that are directly about this book. Some additional references that are only about the book: I am an MMA student in a different country from this book's publication so please I am not the author of this book. I chose to start my wikipedia articles from the topic I knew better. I hope other esteemed evaluators and moderators will find this useful and make it a part of wikipedia. This topic is also covered well in news and has gained much media attention and attracted further works such as a documentary film based on the book. These sources are very reliable. Kindly keep this article on wikipedia. --Mietusr (talk) 08:37, 29 March 2016 (UTC) These references are much like a review of the book: And then there is this review available on net on reliable source When a film is made on a book and many reviews it is good candidate for wikipedia and other resources. A perfectly well written article should not go to waste. Is this enough to sway your argument? --Mietusr (talk) 06:11, 1 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * http://www.amazon.com/Godfathers-MMA-Birth-American-Sport-ebook/dp/B00XWD0Z52
 * http://osumagazine.com/2015/04/14/godfathers-of-mma-the-birth-of-an-american-sport-by-pagie-etheridge/
 * http://mmahistory.org/who-invented-mma/
 * http://triblive.com/neighborhoods/yourmtpleasant/5369911-74/adams-viola-martial
 * http://www.kumiteclassic.com/2015/02/mma-history-book/
 * http://prommanow.com/2016/02/24/from-the-first-days-in-pittsburgh-mma-has-become-the-fastest-growing-sport/
 * http://pittsburghmma.com/2015/01/godfathers-of-mma-book/
 * https://davemaddenmma.wordpress.com/2016/01/03/how-would-reebok-have-done-as-a-sponsor-of-mma-between-1979-1983/
 * Delete The article's sources, and those mentioned above, do not show significant independent reliable coverage about this book. There are some passing mentions and a number of mentions of Viola, but this book fails WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK. Mdtemp (talk) 08:15, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
 * http://pittsburghmma.com/2015/01/godfathers-of-mma-book/
 * http://www.kumiteclassic.com/2015/02/mma-history-book/
 * http://osumagazine.com/2015/04/14/godfathers-of-mma-the-birth-of-an-american-sport-by-pagie-etheridge/
 * http://pittsburghmma.com/2015/11/godfathers-of-mma-review/

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:54, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see the significant coverage required to meet WP:GNG or that this self-published book (the Viola family runs the Kumite Classic) meets WP:NBOOK. Pittsburghmma.com and osumagazine.com are blogs with nothing to show they're reliable sources for the reviews.  In fact, pittsburgmma.com has business ties with Viola as it holds events in conjunction with the Kumite Classic.  This book is already mentioned in the article on Bill Viola, Jr. so a redirect there would be acceptable to me.  There is nothing that supports the claim that this book merits its own article on WP. Papaursa (talk) 01:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


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