Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gojin Motors (3rd nomination)


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The result was   keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 09:10, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Gojin Motors
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Deleted in 2005 and restored soon afterwards with claims of notability, but no sources were presented back then, nor were any added to the article since. A lot has changed since those early years, and one of them is a policy at Notability (companies), and our ability to say that as written, this stub clearly fails it. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 22:31, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:52, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:52, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm a bit torn. It is virtually impossible to find English sources that pass WP:GNG, this is true, but I see a ton of mentions (yet none are significant coverage), and looking at the previous discussions, some sources (now dead) did exist.  Why I'm stuck on the fence is that this is a huge company, and I find it hard to believe that proper sources don't exist...it is just hard to find them using Latin characters and the English language.  Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124;  WER  19:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You say this is a big company - so you already found some information that is not in the article...? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 20:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete I am usually quite passive with a "live and let live" in terms of articles but when there is no Korean wiki page for this Korean company a red flag pops up there. After searching on the main portal in Korea (www.naver.com) with the company name in Korean (고진모터스) I keep finding 아우디 고진모터스 (Audi Gojin Motors). I clicked on some random blogs and found a screen shot of Naver Maps (maps.naver.com) had the location in Gwangju named (roughly) Gwangju Audi (something) Market. The name Gojin is not in the name of the location in Gwangju.  Spurred on by that I search for Gojin Motors (again 고진모터스) on Naver Maps and got 26 results, Audi Gojin Motors 14 results, Audi by itself over 400 results.  In the first 7 results for 아우디 (Audi) 3 of them say '(different company name) + Motors Audi ____.'  Yes, I see it exists, yes I can find it, but the search results in the native language are slim and I wrote them here and gave the portal so please confirm/rebut my statements. If car fans in that country can't be bothered to write an article about it, then it really must be small and really not worth the server space. I should also add the Korean wiki for Audi (https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%95%84%EC%9A%B0%EB%94%94) only has one brief sentence about Gojin syaing they were the official dealer. And for whatever reason their official site is blocked here at work. ₪Rick n Asia₪ 02:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  17:14, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 08:24, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

 Default to keep I was able to find passing mentions in three sources: Although these passing mentions are not sufficient to pass Notability, they verify that the subject exists, allowing the article to pass Verifiability, which says, "If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." At Articles for deletion/Gojin Motors in December 2005, wrote: "*Keep, not advertising, gets mentions in national and international newspapers   Kappa 23:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC)" The closing admin,, wrote: "The consensus is very marginal at best, but I looked at the three links Kappa provided, and the first couldn't be found, and the second was a local Korean newspaper. I don't think this company is that much internationally notable." The close was discussed at WP:DRV, which resulted in an overturn. Articles for deletion/Gojin Motors (2nd nomination) was closed as keep. I sympathize with 's arguments. I am defaulting to supporting retention because: Cunard (talk) 05:25, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) There may be offline Korean sources available that discuss the subject.
 * 2) The links provided by Kappa might be sufficient for the company to pass Notability, but cannot be accessed because all are dead links and none have been captured by the Wayback Machine (the captures were all made after the links no longer worked).
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