Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Bill Murphy (businessman). Clear shift to a consensus. Seddon talk 19:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee
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Recreation of a repeatedly deleted article. Subject is a basically non-notable FRINGE organization dedicated to exposing alleged conspiracies relating to manipulation of the precious metals market, especially gold. Many of the cited sources are themselves promoters of crank conspiracy theories and gold buggery. Most of the others only tangentially address the subject. Subject fails GNG, ORG and NPOV. It's also a pretty glaring example of PROFRINGE. Ad Orientem (talk) 02:04, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NORG, I performed a web search and limited reliable links showed up indicating limited coverage. The lack of updated information shows the subject is not significant. ///Euro Car  GT  03:04, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect - to Bill Murphy (GATA chairman), the link Roy provided shows a bit of coverage. ///Euro Car  GT  18:35, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. NickGibson3900 - Talk - Sign my Guestbook  03:54, 26 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep, notable. A google book search gives plenty of results. --Soman (talk) 11:24, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Are those books reliable sources though? GATA has a large network of supporters that print and publish fringe material backing GATA's crank conspiracy theories. Once you move outside of the material produced by gold bugs the amount of coverage gets extremely thin. There is a tendency on here to assume that books are automatically RS. That is not the case. -Ad Orientem (talk) 12:12, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * If "GATA has a large network of supporters that print and publish", then the notability question is resolved. Some of the book results are clearly sympathetic to the group, but not all, see for example Der Spiegel, http://books.google.com/books?id=5SDtAAAAMAAJ. --Soman (talk) 14:23, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I respectfully, but vigorously disagree. Notability requires in depth coverage from multiple reliable sources. That means sources that are not biased or tainted by an agenda. Even if there were a marginal argument for notability, which I do not concede, the article still massively fails NPOV and PROFRINGE. It is clear from its record of deletion and recreation that a group of editors are and have been using it to promote their views. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:34, 26 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment I took a look at the article Gold bug and after a little editing believe that it would be a good target for a redirect if anyone thinks that is preferable to a straight delete. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:42, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per lack of notability. They seem to have minimal coverage. Their own website lists media articles about them, most of which are fairly old and aren't very impressive. Geogene (talk) 18:24, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Bill Murphy (GATA chairman). Though tagged otherwise, the latter article seems well-sourced and more robust.  This article seems a bit iffy, though much of the content is useful.  That the fringe loves the topic more than the mainstream shouldn't count against these articles, by the way.  It only matters whether or not reliable sources are insufficient, i.e., absolute rather than relative counts. Calbaer (talk) 17:42, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree with that proposed redirect. The article is more a promotion of the fringe conspiracy theories than about Murphy. It is such a brazen WP:COATRACK and NPOV - PROFRINGE fail that I am seriously considering sending it to AfD as well. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * P.S. I don't have an objection to covering Fringe topics, assuming they meet WP:N. But they have to be covered in a manner that is NPOV compliant and avoids the obvious promotion so evident in this and related articles. In the case of this article, I think notability is highly doubtful in addition to the other issues which I see as fatal. In the case of Murphy I would have to do some looking to see if there is enough out there to ring the notability bell. But the article as written is an NPOV train wreck. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:41, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Bill Murphy (businessman). I did find some coverage of GATA in the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/07/business/yourmoney/07gold.html), but it's a minor part of a larger story, and what it does mention is more about Murphy than GATA itself.  The NYT article says, GATA for the most part is a one-man show.  I think there's enough there to justify the Murphy article, but not both of these.  -- RoySmith (talk) 17:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  19:43, 3 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete - The reliable references that can be accessed do not support GATA itself as notable. I doubt any verifiability exists, let alone notability, for the subject organization.--Rpclod (talk) 21:10, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as failing GNG. Redirect to Bill Murphy (businessman). The best source, a NY Times piece in the footnotes, indicates: "Like Mr. Sinclair, William J. Murphy III is also a Wall Street refugee. After a one-year stint in 1968 as a wide receiver for the New England Patriots, he began a career as a commodities trader, working for a number of firms, including Shearson and Drexel Burnham. Convinced that the price of gold was being suppressed by an unholy alliance between the central banks and major investment banks, he formed the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee, known as GATA, that seeks to publicize facts and assertions that support his point, namely that the gold reserves in central banks are significantly overstated. GATA for the most part is a one-man show — Mr. Murphy, dressed in his sweatsuit, perched in front of the computer in his home in suburban Dallas. With his excitable manner and his outré theories about gold, he is generally thought to exist on the outer fringe of the gold-bug movement...." — If the author of this piece seeks to have information about this group preserved, a biography of Mr. Murphy would "stick" since he played professional football and detail on the GATA might be included there, with the name of the organization used as a redirect. So long as there is a good faith effort to write the full biography, I don't envision problems there. Carrite (talk) 17:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
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