Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Golden Eagle, Lincoln


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 00:53, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Golden Eagle, Lincoln

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An average public house. No indication of notability. Fraggle81 (talk) 15:07, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Of the non primary sources, the Lincoln CC link returns 404 and the Good Pub Guide link doesn't seem to return any information. -- Ritchie333  (talk)  15:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The city council has a page about Recent archaeological discoveries and activities which can replace the dead link, and the pub is also mentioned on the council's locally listed buildings page, but there appears to be no more information about it there. The Good Pub Guide page only has the address; old versions (2001 and 2007) have descriptions but the 2007 version is "not an inspected main entry" so probably not a reliable source. If significant coverage exists anywhere, it will probably be in local books and newspapers, although no evidence of this is provided in the article, and I looked on the Google Books site but didn't find anything useful. Peter&#160;James (talk) 16:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)


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From the way you re talking it seems you have never been to the pub, how can you therefore understand its notability or importance, are you even based in England? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.222.91 (talk) 00:14, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. An article about a pub of this vintage in the U.S. would have a pretty fair chance of being kept. I recognize that it's different in England, and that despite its age, this pub may be just run-of-the-mill in Wikipedian terms.  My searching turned up a few mentions here and there to suggest that this is a well-liked Lincolnshire local, but perhaps not well-covered enough to deserve an article per WP:LOCAL. I've left a notice with the IP proponent of this article and encouraged xim to identify reliable sources covering the pub; in the absence of same, I'm afraid notability will be difficult to establish.--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:55, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Notability is not determined by visiting the site in question. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 19:49, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "An article about a pub of this vintage in the U.S. would have a pretty fair chance of being kept." On that basis, are we going to have an article on my house too?  This is Lincoln - everything underfoot is either medieval or Roman. By local standards, this isn't a remarkable pub, either as a pub today, or for the history of the site. So delete Andy Dingley (talk) 15:24, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "An article about a pub of this vintage in the U.S. would have a pretty fair chance of being kept." On that basis, are we going to have an article on my house too?  This is Lincoln - everything underfoot is either medieval or Roman. By local standards, this isn't a remarkable pub, either as a pub today, or for the history of the site. So delete Andy Dingley (talk) 15:24, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. Note that, despite the claims as to its age, it does not appear to be a listed building (I have searched the English Heritage database and found no mention of it), which suggests it is either not as old as claimed or has been rebuilt so much that it is not considered to be a particularly historic building. It does appear to be locally listed, as stated above, but since even nationally listed Grade II buildings are not always considered to be notable on Wikipedia, I don't think it can be considered notable for its architecture or historical interest. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 01:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Comment -- If it really was a coaching inn, it might just about be notable.  Towns commonly only had one or two inns from which coaches operated.  The fact that it is "locally listed" indicates that it is considered significant, but NOT in the national list, run by English Heritage.  That may be becasue parts of the present building are on the site of the inn, rather than the actual building.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:05, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep . Historic buildings belong in the encyclopedia.  Is not currently well presented, with excessive focus on the current.  I recommend consideration of merging all of Public houses in Lincolnshire.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:05, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment The problem is I know of barns of a similar age, should we include those too? Just because something is old doesn't make it worthy of an article. The majority of the 52000 or so pubs in the UK are at least a hundred years old, should every one of those have a Wikipedia entry? This is an encyclopaedia not a pub guide so there needs to be something which makes this pub stand out from all of the others, something like The Signal Box Inn which is a contender for the smallest pub in the world is a good example of this. Fraggle81 (talk) 15:34, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This one is 280 years, with sourcing. No, they don't all get their own articles, and even for this one I suggest merging with other old pubs of the area.  Anything old is more likely to have a place, but it is coverage of its beginning and its old history that's important. Old barns are fine too, if sourced with regard to their long histories, and most likely merged. Old barns that stand for hundreds of years are probably more architecturally interesting and of economic significance in their early days. A test I might suggest is that a building is interesting if you would still find it interesting if it was knocked down fifty years ago. For this pub, I see a little such interest, enough for a merge. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:24, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per !votes below and Necrothesp above. I guess it is not a verifiably recognised historic buildating at all.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:46, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - apart from not being a listed building, all the sections after History look and soud like an WP:ADVERT: cosy, friendly, warm, etc. Even the designated driver friendly carpark gets a mention! Beyond being 280 years old, what's notable about it? Nowt! Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 09:25, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete insufficient evidence of notability. Without listed building status we need much more than provided here. I happen to live in another historic city where it is also unexceptional for a building to be old and on a site with more or less continuous occupation since the Roman period. Not all deserve a WP entry, and that seems to be true here as well. --AJHingston (talk) 20:32, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete owing to lack of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject per the General notability guideline. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 16:43, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - Try as I might, I couldn't find any sources for this topic. The external links in the article are broken, so I could not confirm the validity of the Golden Eagle topic, the existence of the house, or its age. I keep thinking Golden Eagle public housing. If you are referring to the Golden Eagle pub in Lincoln's High Street, that's probably a notable topic. However, the present topic is not. Rather than relist the AfD, close the AfD and let editors create Golden Eagle pub if there is a desire (or move the article to Golden Eagle pub and relist a new at AfD so people know what the topic is. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 23:23, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.