Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Golden Horseshoe Saloon


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No support for deletion and article has been improved through editing. (non-admin closure) 4meter4 (talk) 16:16, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Golden Horseshoe Saloon

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This is a well organized 15-year-old article about a restaurant at Disneyland. It is almost completely unsourced. The only coverage I can find about it are Disney-associated blogs and websites. Applicable policies would be WP:CORP and WP:NOTTRAVEL. I thought of merging it into Frontierland but that article simply lists attractions without describing them. So, not knowing where else this can fit, I am proposing it for deletion. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:43, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. North America1000 14:48, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Amusement parks-related deletion discussions. North America1000 14:48, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. North America1000 14:48, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Why are disney blogs not good references? I mean they go to Disney everyday. Kaleeb18 (talk) 00:48, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , Disney affiliated sources may be OK for some minor uncontroversial details about a notable topic, but they are worthless for establishing notability. That requires references to reliable sources that are completely independent of the topic, so that rules out all Disney-affiliated sources, which exist to drive business to Disney ventures. Where are the independent reliable sources that devote significant coverage to the Golden Horseshoe Saloon? Cullen328  Let's discuss it  02:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

oh ok thanks. So the only thing that really can be referenced about this article is a book cause all the websites about it are disney blogs from what I can see Kaleeb18 (talk) 11:35, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

'''We should not delete it. I have found an article on LA Times and New York Times that talks about the restaurant. I have also found an Anehiem newspaper talking about it. i have added all three of those articles as references to the restaurant article in hopes of saving it from deletion.''' Kaleeb18 (talk) 19:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The NYT citation is an obituary about a person, not about the topic of this article. The LA Times one is OK, as is OCregister. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:28, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

yes your right but in that article its mentions a lot of stuff about the show.  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:45, 19 October 2021 (UTC) Nice find how did you find that book tho so I can search for books too? Kaleeb18 (talk) 23:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The sources added to the article are sufficient to show notability. A Google Books search shows that several books discuss this venue. This is just one example. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  19:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , I used the "books" search tool at the top of this page, but you can just go to Google Books anytime to search for coverage in books. You can sometimes read a few pages, but some publishers do not allow that. Sometimes magazine articles turn up too. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  00:40, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * thank you I didn't even know there was a google books. Kaleeb18 (talk) 00:46, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , I am happy to introduce you to a useful search option for Wikipedia editors. Ask me questions any time. Cullen<sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  01:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I believe the sources added to the article are good enough to keep the article from deletion. There are also plenty more good sources that talk about the Restaurant. Kaleeb18 (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep As Cullen328 said, there's several print sources that cover the Golden Horseshoe Saloon and the shows it housed such as and . Qwaiiplayer (talk) 12:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.