Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Golden State Project


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete. With a 5d-4k situation, I realize that I may be on shaky ground, but I think that is the result which best summarises the discussion. One argument given for "keep" by Kicking222 is "...if it's verifiable that the group exists or did exist, then its article is warranted", but that is not consistent with the previous precedent we have had for bands (WP:MUSIC); except for unusual circumstances we have required some releases on major record labels or a bit more on independent ones, in this case no albums have been released. TheMadBaron has argued that tracks have been commercially released, but after looking at the article myself I cannot see that to be evident. The participation of a notable artist like Xzibit has also been given as an argument for inclusion, but his participation appears to have been only a minor side-project. In all, I find the arguments presented by Durin (lack of Allmusic entry, no productions in over seven years of existence) to be convincing. Sjakkalle (Check!)  11:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Golden State Project
Non-notable band (does not meet WP:MUSIC), which author has removed and  tags from without addressing concerns or explanation. Harmil 15:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - The band does have notable members, but WP:NOT a crystal ball. --cholmes75 15:50, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak keep The group, with its notable members, obviously passes WP:MUSIC. Whether or not they ever actually released albums, if it's verifiable that the group exists or did exist, then its article is warranted. -- Kicking222 16:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - These notable members (such as they are) are none so titanic that a "band" they purportedly formed several years ago with a formless lineup and an announced album with not a single announced original cut should get any consideration. Wikipedia is still not a crystal ball, and this is the WP:MUSIC version of vaporware. RGTraynor 16:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep - I like that crytal ball stuff that people use so often to justify the vote. Note that Flipmode Squad article exists as well with Busta Rhymes being the only notable member. Note that every major mainstream rapper has his own group that has its separate page. See Nas and the Bravehearts, Fat Joe and the Terror Squad, Snoop Dogg and Tha Dogg Pound, Jadakiss and the D-Block...etc  Lajbi  Holla @ me   Who's the boss?  16:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Much though anyone might not approve, WP:NOT is official policy, not some sort of offbeat justification that one can slough off at will. That aside, the list of bands you give actually exist and actually have put out songs and albums; their notability is not in question.  RGTraynor 18:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep: Notable for Xzibit's inclusion in the group. Deathawk 21:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. They're notable, per Kicking222, and as I read it, they have tracks commercially released, including a contribution to the Training Day soundtrack, so WP:NOT does not apply. TheMadBaron 20:32, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete per RGTraynor. - FrancisTyers 13:31, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete or change into a redirect. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball (see WP:NOT). The group has been in 'existence' for seven+ years and hasn't managed to produce anything? Furthermore, there's no entry on allmusic.com which does a decent job of representing western groups and even more so U.S. groups. Clearly fails all aspects of WP:BAND, which encourages a redirect in this case; it's a side project, and worse, has produced nothing to date. This should have been speedy deleted. --Durin 13:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: A list of songs the group has recorded is listed in the article. No they haven't released an album yet. But they have recorded a number of songs. Just because they aren't on one album doesn't erase their existence. Also, Harmil accuses me of deleting the tags with no explanation. NOT TRUE. I explained my reasoning in the discussion tab of the article. MrBlondNYC 20:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.