Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goldfish (Short film)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 14:59, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Goldfish (Short film)

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COmpletely unsourced article. Nothing notable about the movie. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 16:20, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Joe Wein. The article is unsorced, but claims multiple awards, so I went looking. Helpfully, the poster provided in the infobox did my work for me. Most of these "awards" are "official selection"--that is, the film was chosen to compete, but did not actually win. Three are not. The 2007 Austin Film Festival award is the "Audience Award", rather than one of the AFF's jury-awarded categories; I don't believe this is sufficient to weigh towards notability under our current film standards. Likewise, Gen Art awarded the film its "Grand Jury Award" in 2008, but (unhelpfully) that was actually the second place award that year (the winner was, creatively enough, "Winner"). Finally, the Savannah Film Festival did award it Best Comedic Short in 2008, but that festival (held by the Savannah College of Art and Design) isn't sufficiently notable in and of itself for its awards to carry much weight. None of this would be a problem if Goldfish had received independent press coverage and reviews, but, like most short films, that doesn't seem to be the case. The best we get is this brief mention at an Ain't It Cool News article about that year's Tribeca Film Festival. The film thus lacking sufficient notability, the reasonable outcome is a redirect to its director's article, where, in fact, it is already covered in (at least) sufficient length (and that AICN article already cited). Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:07, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I PRODed Joe Wein yesterday and frankly it's AFD material - David Gerard (talk) 13:29, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Changed to delete. You're exactly right. I'd glanced at the Wein article, and been tentatively hopeful that the couple of legitimate-looking references were a sign that it needed improvement, rather than a sign that the article was refbombed to disguise a lack of substantive coverage. But that's very much not the case. Accordingly, there's no valid redirect target, so deletion is the only outcome here. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 15:05, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect or delete - Joe Wein's notability is also rather questionable. This appears to be part of a cluster of REFBOMBed ill-sourced articles on barely-notable people or products - David Gerard (talk) 12:07, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 10:55, 25 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete -- no indications that it meets WP:NFILM. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:01, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't believe being a part of these festivals or other events without winning them, or winning something substantial related to them, truly makes the film notable. Most short pieces that film-makers create don't get enough significant notice to merit having a Wikipedia page, and I believe that this is no exception. I'd also like to note that this article here is called Goldfish (Short film) in contrast with Goldfish (short film) (without the capitalization); the latter is just a redirect and should likely get deleted as well. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 12:33, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - this article had multiple RS exist and these were removed/deleted by Zackmann08, so now the article appears to be unsourced. InfoDataMonger (talk) 22:37, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * What specific RS links are you talking about? CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:59, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm with here... Exactly what WP:RS are you talking about?? -- Zackmann08  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 16:09, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.