Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goldie Steinberg (2nd nomination)


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The result was redirect to List of European supercentenarians. Tone 20:04, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Goldie Steinberg
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Another non-notable oldster. The few sources basically say she lived, she lived a long time, she was Jewish and lived a long time, she died. Almost no information about her, and no hope of there ever being more. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 15:36, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete This article fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO1E because there is only WP:ROUTINE coverage of her that fails to demonstrate notability and there is no notability guideline that "the oldest x" is notable. The content of the article is pretty much just trivia on how she relates to other peoples longevity milestones or longevity milestones for various arbitrary categories, with some fluff about her added in. There is almost nothing actually said about her in an article that is supposed to be about her. Her age, life dates, and nationality are already recorded on three different lists, where they are easier to view, so this permanent WP:PERMASTUB is not needed. Newshunter12 (talk) 22:44, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Yes, per nom, the subject "was Jewish" and "lived a long time" - long enough to become the oldest living Jewish person in the world and the second oldest person living in the United States. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Multiple articles have covered the subject over the years. Notability is well established. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 06:01, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Notability is most definitely not well established if the only thing you can say is "she lived, she was Jewish, she died". There's nothing in these purported sources that has any meaningful information on the subject herself, only a few statistics that are easily integrated into tables and lists, and simply being the oldest person in an arbitrarily defined group or in an arbitrarily defined area does not inherently confer notability. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 06:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * No, I was quoting you from your nomination statement, thus the quotation marks around your words. I did not say that. You did. And the sources about the subject are not "purported." They are reliable sources, and saying they are not does not make it so. Again, notability has been established. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 06:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That's exactly what I mean; there's nothing beyond what I already said, and all are obituaries and passing mentions. Added together all of that information is enough for a list entry at most, it's certainly not enough for a whole article. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 15:03, 16 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Redirect to List of European supercentenarians. No independent notability beyond her age. Tables are enough for this. — JFG talk 00:23, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect to appropriate list. Per nom and WP:PERMASTUB. Entry on a list of is enough as this article is never going to expand beyond bare life basics (born, married, had kids, worked, died) and that she was Jewish. CommanderLinx (talk) 07:07, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


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