Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Goltra, Missouri


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  00:07, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Goltra, Missouri

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I don't think this one is a notable location. Ramsay describes it as the rail junction of the Sligo and Salem rail branches, named for Edward Goltra, president of a blast furnace company. Searching old newspapers results in Crawford County brings up a number of references to Mr. Goltra, appearances in rail timetables between Wesco and Cook Station, some passing rail-related mentions, and this, which describes Goltra as a rail junction, near which a train hit Mr. Thomas's cow. Also sometimes referred to as Goltra Junction. Present in 1910 list of rail stations, as well as in the 1907 version. Doesn't seem to be mentioned in 1880s regional history. Or in How Missouri Counties, Towns, and Streams were Named. Topographic maps show a rail junction with one or two buildings. While it's possible for a rail junction to be a notable community, I've found no evidence of this one being one. Hog Farm Talk 05:10, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Talk 05:10, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Talk 05:10, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Negligent creation that is not even true to its source. Reywas92Talk 06:08, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * That would be Edward Field Goltra, whose son went to Princeton, whose companies were involved in Casebolt v. Sligo &amp; Eastern Railroad Co., whose papers are held by the Missouri Historical Society, who had close ties to Woodrow Wilson, and indeed whose company named a railroad stop after himself. We could end up refactoring a rubbish GNIS article into a biography.  &#9786;
 * Uncle G (talk) 08:52, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I've rewritten the article to state what and where it was. For whatever it is worth ... seems it existed and Wikipedia isn't running out of space ... so why delete this bit of history? Vsmith (talk) 20:44, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The only even approximately history is that part that you didn't write, and it's actually wrong, because it in fact misrepresents Ramsay, who does not say "official at a nearby blast furnace". All that you wrote is map-reading, as you indeed sourced it to maps and gazetteers, randomly connecting a road to a railway station when the route only came into being over two decades after the railway station closed.  That's ahistory, if anything.  The actual history here is Edward Field Goltra and xyr various companies, as yet unwritten by you or anyone.  And that's what this should be renamed and refactored into.  Uncle G (talk) 01:58, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I've rewritten the article to state what and where it was. For whatever it is worth ... seems it existed and Wikipedia isn't running out of space ... so why delete this bit of history? Vsmith (talk) 20:44, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The only even approximately history is that part that you didn't write, and it's actually wrong, because it in fact misrepresents Ramsay, who does not say "official at a nearby blast furnace". All that you wrote is map-reading, as you indeed sourced it to maps and gazetteers, randomly connecting a road to a railway station when the route only came into being over two decades after the railway station closed.  That's ahistory, if anything.  The actual history here is Edward Field Goltra and xyr various companies, as yet unwritten by you or anyone.  And that's what this should be renamed and refactored into.  Uncle G (talk) 01:58, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 02:07, 16 May 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2021 May 16.  —cyberbot I   Talk to my owner :Online 05:08, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete in its present form: fails WP:GEOLAND. Look forward to reading the ANYBIO=passing biography, which this is not :)   ——  Serial  12:52, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 17:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


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